'high security' ring main

But what's that number, and where are they?

You can manage to do an awful lot of disconnections for testing if they're all accessible and all done at one location, such as the CU. The killer for time spent is when you have to walk the length of a circuit, doing things at intervals around it.

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Andy Dingley
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In the distribution box, one per ring.

Then you walk round with the meter testing sockets, or use a *long* lead on the test meter.

However, the claim that prompted my question was that it could be done without breaking *any* connections, using standard test gear, on a circuit with dual earth connections.

Reply to
John Williamson

No, an earth loop test for each socket, which involves disturbing connections in the consumer unit.

It was claimed that this test could be done on a system with two earths using standard test gear without disturbing the installation.

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John Williamson

The real killer is that after you reconnect it you can't then test it and it may well have developed a fault due to the act of reconnecting it. You can't claim its has a high integrity when the mere act of testing it may cause an undetectable fault. Not unless you redefine what high integrity means.

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dennis

I think dennis has just turned into dribble - he seems to be looping.

Someone reset him...

Reply to
John Rumm

One would typically test a circuit at the CU when installing it (i.e. before assembling!), when you have access to the origin of the cabling. A round trip resistance check on the earth will tell you most of what you need to know alongside the usual tests for a radial power circuit. A

16th edition style high current loop test (with RCD wired out) would be worth doing on the complete circuit.

For periodic testing. a non tripping earth loop test, repeated at a few sockets along the circuit will let you verify that both earth paths are still in place.

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John Rumm

Then you are thinking of the resistance readings for the ring. That is not needed to prove continuity after the initial testing and commissioning.

When the system is installed then you would test the continuity of the ring. This will need the ring to be disconnected from the bus bar or be tested before connection. But you also take an earth loop reading at the final socket on the circuit (a simple plug in test). That value will not alter if the ring remains in place[1] and you can check the circuit at any time by plugging the earth loop tester into the final socket at any time.

[1] If the supply characteristics alter then they would alter the reading however you would still only need to test the incoming supply to correct the reading (or use a test socket), and there would still be no need to disconnect anything.
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ARWadsworth

Can he claim back the VAT on that underwear?

Reply to
The Medway Handyman

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The Medway Handyman

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