Fibre

They're sneakier than that - they analyse the audio stream that's playing and use it to ID what video it's associated with. Then they have a full list of programmes you watch, on any channel or catchup, to which they can attach to your account information and then sell that to advertisers. (which is still valuable even if they never get to show you ads)

This is avoided if you never give the thing internet.

Theo

I dunno what has happened to my TV viewing at all.

Apart from a bit of Rugby, and a bit of GB news, the rest is all repeats I have seen already, films I have seen already or woke crap I switch off instantly

The tellies get used to watch that plus recorded films or listen to classic FM.

Are they really checking against a massive list or just against what's being broadcast at the time - we rarely watch anything while it is actually on.

If it is ground floor, yes. Although it looks like they would extend fibre from ground floor ingress to where you wantm, for extra

Yes. For openreach that is the important difference. The NTE and the router are *not* the same box and are connected by *Ethernet*'

So the NTE goes where its convenient for Openreach, and the Router wherever is convenient for *you*...

They supply a new router

Probably: depends on ISP. Might use existing router and supply Ethernet to phone adapter.

But that's irrelevant. You will get a phone socket either in the router, or able to be attached to it via Ethernet

Someone will unless your router is equipped with both Ethernet WAN capability and VOIP capability. Mine is, but I bought it...

Our fibre entry comes into the back of a splice point box (tiny). The ONT is less than 10cm away. The ethernet cable from that is less than a metre to the router, which is in the equipment rack. No wifi on router, as there are four mesh WAPs round the house, with wired backhaul.

As for UPS, the rack has one, the office has one, and my workshop has one. We are near the centre of the town, but one of the early houses; our phone line, when we had one (it went with the fibre and was only for DSL) was to a distant cabinet, unlike all the neigbours who are on a much closer cabinet. We do get spikes and brownouts, and the principal purpose of the UPS units is to protect equipment. It does work well with power cuts though; automatic shutdown when the batteries get low.

... or even reigns! :-)

In my couple of years with fibre and IDNET I have only suffered a couple of 1 minite breaks in the middle of the night that resolved themselves. Probably radius servers or frame relay kit being rebooted

I cant recommend IDnet highly enough if you are reasonably technical. They are not geared for the BT 'reboot your router' support scripts, but if you talk to them - and they are not on India, but in Hemel Hempstead

- you get real service.

This is my fibre termination. The external fibre comes into the back of the splice box on the right.

In my case straight down was into the kitchen, so they ran the fibre to the house rear to the *annex* kitchen, which was fine. They had access to it without needing to get the householder to open any gates, and I had power and ethernet there already. So it was the perfect compromise

They will run the fibre anywhere you want *outside* provided it allows easy access without a ladder to their *external* termination box .

They then want a power socket the other side of the wall to run up the NTE.

If you chose to put a router there as well, , but you can extend with ethernet anywhere you like.

My incomer is overhead from a pole across the road.

They have computers 'watch' content (live and streaming) and generate fingerprints, so once you have the fingerprint library you can use it to match against the fingerprints generated from smart TVs. It's then just a case of how much storage they want to pay to store their fingerprint back catalogue.

Fibre to the back of the house, termination box on the conservatory wall and straight through into the server cupbaord would work for me. It puts everything together and right where the UPS is.

This is interesting:

It shows not just networks operating in your area (including altnets) but roadworks (current and future). So you get a heads up of work that might be coming your way, even if they haven't announced.

For me it says Gigaclear is 'planned' - which is confirmed on their site - and indeed they have some in the next village - I hadn't seen any mention of that at all locally.

Theo

I can see a challenge[1] with that for your average user that wants to access streaming / catchup content...

Good idea to place such devices on their own VLAN so that they can't see or access other parts of the LAN though.

in a related vein.....

i have a friend who currently has 10 mbit ADSL.

I can see there is fibre to the pole along with a black plastic dome fibre splice box on it literally at the corner of his front garden. Its been there a few months now.

Now there are also 7 neighbours all with the same post code that are fed by copper on this pole plus another pole 3 poles down the road (also with a fibre splice box.

What have all of them got to do in order to persuade OR to provide them with FTTP from the fibre splice boxes from said poles?

Looking up up that BB checker BT wholesale and putting in the UPRN reveals that the local exchange is not a FTTP priority exchange.

All of the 7 neighbours and my friend all want FTTP.

S.

oh yes like a HD Home Run Quattro for Freeview or a Kathrein EXIP 414 for freesat.... :-)

On my LG TV there are settings to switch it all off - via several menus and opt outs. Also, reset, data, whatever that means. I had a look just now, and I'd thought I'd disabled it all when I bought it, but a couple of settings were allowing tracking. Maybe they'd sneaked in folowing software updates.

In any event, I can't think of a way they use that data - for me at least. By app, maybe - iPlayer for example. But the TV itself doesn't seem to push anything that I use.

I'd be more worried if the data is used outside the TV . . . dread to think what sort of profile AI might generate

My Samsung TV came with the settings for the adverts from thousands of third parties default = on. On one of the privacy menu settings it was possible to turn off these permissions BUT only one at a time, a task that would have taken a week :). It took me quite a while to find in the setting menu the option(s) to disable all of the permissions in one go. The setting was obscurely and misleadingly named to hide the true functionality. Even when turned off there were dire warnings about not getting the best viewing experience from the TV!