Cost of digging a trench?

Double it. I think that would be quite reasonable.

It's a bit surprising that the customer didn't agree a job price or hourly rate before starting, however.

He is a 'sort-of' friend, except when it comes to paying up, when suddenly everything is too expensive. The trench is for an electric cable to his garden summer house - I think the electricians bill will be rather more than £100, and take a lot less than the 4 hours I took, so £75 is quite justifiable. If he quibbles, then I think he'll have to get someone else to do the back-filling, he hasnt asked me to do that yet, but I expect to get the call when he realises the hole will need filling. The bloke is a pretty succesful business owner, but he has no common sense or practical ability at all. A previous job I did was put down 8'x6' of slabs for a greenhouse. I then got a call a few weeks later saying i had done the slabs too small! The dipshit had only gone and bought a 9'x7' greenhouse, and hadnt even realised it wouldnt fit until a bloke was there erecting it for him.He rang me at 2pm, asking me to go round now and lay some more slabs that afternoon, as the greenhouse man couldnt do any more until the slabs were put down. Like I can go and get slabs and lay then in less than 2 hours! I gave him the price of another line of slabs (£15), then he asked if I can get some 2nd hand slabs, to save a bit of money. He is well known for not spending money. Alan.

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Good. I'm always puzzled by the common expectation that anyone with money must fritter it away like an idiot.

NT

Correct answer: "Sure, I can track some down for you. It shouldn't take me more than a couple of hours (at £15 per hour) - or you could do it..."

I think this guy may understand the value of his money, and not of other people's time.

Andy

Alan

Look at it this way. Assuming you could book 40 hours paid work per week you would net £600 a week.

But you can't book 40 hours paid a week. You have to travel, get materials, do estimates, so to book 40 hours you have to work 60.

Assuming you could book those 40 paid hours, out of that £600 you have fuel, insurance x 2, vehicle lease or depreciation, advertising, accountants fees, stationery, cost of replacing tools, consumables etc, etc.

My lowest rate for a complete day pre booked is £20 per hour & I'm thinking of putting that up. Have a look at my rates on

You are falling into the biggest trap for self employed people - not charging enough. Put your prices up or you will go broke.

You missed out his medical expenses. I am in awe of the amount of=20 digging he completed in five hours. He should also consider that he=20 would be unable to do that amount of hard physical labour for forty=20 hours each week. If there is ever another war I want to be in the same=20 prisoner-of-war camp with him. ;-)

All the more reason to agree something up front. Does he expect you do do it free?

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hat hourly rate.

absolutly agree with you,when we started we were shy about costings and almost too late realised we were supposed to be running a buisness not a charity,now we never undervalue our work,we have realised how wealthy people stay wealthy,by looking for donkeys,since we got wise we have expanded the buisness and now use machinery for digging and charge accordingly,sod em',you sweat,they pay!

In article , A.Lee scribeth thus

Do think about your poor old back and how much you'd be laid up and money you'd lose if that were bu**ered for any length of time;!...

Thats why he's got so much!...

If your that short of mates though and they treat you like that then summats wrong somewhere..

I've suddenly forgotten how to mend cars, TV's electrics, computers over the years..).

Weeds 'em out;!.....

He's right you know!

What you charge also affects the perceived value.

I do live sound PA hire/operation as a bit of a hobby. I occasionally get asked to do work for charity gigs. I no longer do charity for free - it is hard work

- carrying all the gear in, setting it up, then operating it then putting it in the can and taking it all away. There is also the loading & unloading of the van before & after.

If I do a charity gig for free, that is what people see the value of the work as, and they get upset the next time they book me and I quote normal price, after all I did it for petrol money last time...

I charge full rate. I may then decide to donate some or all my fee back to the charity, but perceived value is maintained.

P.