I've had to do a lot of juggling of cupboards and appliances in my
galley design to allow me to open the doors without them colliding. I
haven't quite got it 100% as with the dishwasher open I can't open the
fridge. So if anyone wants a cup of tea, they'll have to wait until the
dishwasher has been filled :)
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:45 +0100 (BST), Mark Webb wrote:
I have just replaced my kitchen units, although keeping roughly the same
layout (limited by space). The oven is next to (maybe 50mm away) the
corner. The only scorching I have had since the previous units went in
around 6-7 years ago is to the edge of the door on the other side of the
oven, ie in line with it. This is much closer than the surfaces round the
corner. I think the problem is constant heat leakage around the door when
it is shut, rather than the occasional higher levels when it is open.
The old doors had stuck on edging, and the heat had caused this edging to
peal away. Hopefully I wont have the same problem with the new ones that
have a one piece face+edge.
That's obviously the worry. Our current kitchen has the doors with a
continuous 'skin' over the front and edges. The toaster caused one edge
to peel up when it accidentally got left too close (so still beware).
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:02 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Mark Webb wrote:
My newer oven is also a better design than the previous (cheap) one. On the
old one, the front of the body of the oven was flat around the edges, so
any heat leakage past the rubber door seal went sideways. Then new one has
a lip around the edge of the door to deflect the heat forward.
^Door got scorched at top of this edge.
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Have you any room in the middle to jut out? If you could do this in front
of the window the you could put the hob there with one of those new trendy
chimney hoods over and you'd be the worksurface depth from the window and
not too far from the outside for a vent.
I remember from years ago when my mother put a hob next to a tall housing
unit she had to leave a 15cm(?) gap on either side for fire regs. Make sure
you are fairly close to a worksurface anyway, as you don't want to be
jogging across the kitchen when you are lifting someting scalding hot out of
Give us a pic of your kitchen layout and let all the budding planners loose
on it, it'll give u ideas at least.
Will ASCII art do?
|DDDD OOOO|Internal wall
|TTTT % /door
%\ % /
% \ back door %/
% \ |
\ Internal wall
W = window
The rest are our current thinking.
O = oven
F = Fridge
S = sink
D = dishwasher
H = hob
T = worktop
What about this? Corner hob - its hard to do in ASCII. Neither oven or
diswasher will be opening close to anything, so easy access. The fridge
juts over the side window a bit, but if it's not too high then it wouldn't
block too much. I think having an eyelevel oven is a good idea and keeping
the hob away from it leads to more comforatable cooking. The corner hob
would be near external walls for venting, but the extra worksurface souds
keep it off the window for hygiene. You could then centre the sink and
diswisher in the big window which would look balanced as you enter the
% \ back door
The short wall windows has a MUCH better view (open fields) vs the long
wall (old farm buildings), so I'd rather keep the sink there. Also,
within the limitations of ASCII art, the overlap of the fridge to the
window would be nearly 50% the width of the fridge.
We did look at a corner hob but though it was too close to the sink if we
put the sink in front of the 'nice' window.
snipped-for-privacy@NOcix.SPAMco.TODAYuk (Mark Webb) wrote in message
Working from left to right
For reasons of boredom while washing the dishes I would put the sink
under the window so you can look out while doing the dishes. Right
hand drainer sink- dish washer underside. Hob where it is. Built in
oven housing in corner - worktop - Fridge freezer where it is in in
your original plan.
Many of the software packages used by the "pros" are available as a demo
The one that I've used is kitchen draw see
http://www.kitchendraw.com/ or http://www.easycadplus.com /
its a 6.8Mb download which may put a few people off, but they give you 30
hours free use which should be more than adequate for my purposes and far
more useful that the usual 30 days trial period.
I didn't spend a great deal of time looking at alternative packages but
found this one to be very useful so far, I've still to finish off the
kitchen design (...I've still to finish the plans for the extension as
well), but it has proved very useful so far, and I will be using this
package again as it looks like we're doing the bathroom over the winter and
leaving the extension until next spring time.
Yes, I've already had a go with Kitchen Draw. Not entirely intuitive IMHO
(e.g. built in appliances). Also, it took KD support to find out which I
couldn't place my windows on my walls. Height to top of windows 2.3m,
height to top of walls 2.2m. Obvious really, but not easy to determine
from the error message.
I can just mention a few details that seem relevant to some options
mentioned. First if there is anything tall close to the hob I'd want
to cover the side of it in sheet stainless for fire safety and for
cleaning. Chipboard corners dont survive repeated wetting (nor pan
fires). Secondly an oven in a corner is a perfectly good position,
position it at 45 degrees. Thirdly some ovens have fan cooled doors,
so a hob over the oven can be a non issue with one of these. Even with
an ordinary oven I've not found it any big deal myself.
Also, with a hob above a floor-sitting oven, the one extractor hood
covers steam (or smoke) from both.
With separates, you may need a hood over the hob and some other
type of extractor when the inevitable burned food happens.
When I get home, if I don't smell burning I conclude that tea is a salad...
"Mungo Henning" wrote
| When I get home, if I don't smell burning I conclude that tea
| is a salad... !
And if you do smell burning, tea is going to be a salad when you've
extinguished the oven :-)
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