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Another Blow for the Ecowarriors

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Just because the facts don't line up with what harry says wont stop him lying.

Reply to
dennis

The net gain has slowed not accelerated, bad news for the deniers.

Reply to
mcp

According to the alarmists there has been decreasing ice for years, seems they were wrong about that too.

Reply to
dennis

According to the NASA report, "the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."

If the temperature peaked in 1998 as we are continually told by the deniers then the net gain should be increasing not slowing.

Reply to
mcp

Shows how little anyone understands about ice formation in the Antarctic.

But at least the 'deniers' don't claim to have the answers - they are merely content to demonstrate that the alarmists models don't stack up with reality...

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Full of crap aren't you?

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Reply to
harry

Why would the ice not continue to melt as the alarmists claimed it has been doing? It doesn't require any further increase in temperature to melt ice once it is above freezing.

Reply to
dennis

There is nothing to distort. Its the alarmists model that has failed to predict the actual conditions. The same model that they use to predict the end of the world as we know it. You can deny that they got it wrong as much as you like but the facts say that they got it wrong and there is no reason to think they have got it right now. While the alarmists continue to deny that they were wrong in the past they lack credibility about current predictions based on the same models and erroneous data.

There appears to be a general lack of confidence in the alarmists views and that shows in the talks going on. The alarmists will be brewing up even worse scenarios to try and get more influence.

Reply to
dennis

I don't understand why the alarmists keep harping on about sea temperatures still rising, or ice sheets continuing to melt.

There was a period of atmospheric warming towards the end of the last century; no argument (well, not from me). But to expect sea temperatures and amounts of polar ice to move contemporaneously with the atmospheric temperature rise is surely ridiculous, given that the specific heat of water, particularly when you include the latent heat of melting of ice, is significantly higher than that of air, and is bound to result in a delay in response.

If they seriously believe that rising sea temperatures and decreasing amounts of polar ice (and the latter seems questionable anyway) are indicative of ongoing warming, why has the atmosphere stopped warming?

Reply to
Chris Hogg

Its growing in some places, losing in others. I wonder if our take on this would change if, for example our life spans were over 300 years? Brian

Reply to
Brian-Gaff

Its a propaganda war.. they can film glaciers breaking up and say look its global warming happening. They don't want the fact that the same thing has been happening for millennia to get in the way.

That would be a few centuries worth of delay but they seem to want to ignore that.

The biggest problem the alarmists have is they keep making exaggerated claims that just don't happen. They claim the models predict these things but in reality they only predict these things if you go to extremes and then they look foolish but still have groupies like harry that believe it. Yes harry is an alarmist's groupie.

Reply to
dennis

It hasn't. The ten warmest years ever recorded have all occurred since

1998. 2014 was the warmest year on record.
Reply to
mcp

That would be surface temps, on land. And they exclude nearly everything in the past as records haven't been kept for long. Its another of the propaganda themes, most people think that since records began will be thousands of years when in reality its a few decades for a few places and zero for most places.

Reply to
dennis

1) How far back do the records go, eh? Next to nowhere in terms of what we're discussing. 2) 2014 hottest year? By some trivial amount that is rather less than the error bar.

Try coming up with something significant, instead of bumper stickers.

Reply to
Tim Streater

Given that we're still heading out of the last ice age and probably haven't got to the mid inter-glacial period yet based on previous cycles, and that the arctic completely vanished in the last inter-glacial period (very suddenly when it finally broke up and floated south), it's really only to be excpected that such warming should be happening now, even if there were no humans on the planet. Variations over a few decades are of no significance.

Reply to
Andrew Gabriel

Oh no! Another two hundred and forty years of this... :(

Reply to
Richard

well that is of course after adjusting past records downwards, and ingnoring records over 30 years old..

"Today I installed a weather station. Today is the coldest/warmest/wettest/driest day on record".

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

No, including sea and Antarctic data.

As we were discussing a NASA report examining ice trends starting in

1992 that's irrelevant.
Reply to
mcp

All the conspiracy theories about adjusting past records have been thoroughly debunked.

It goes back well beyond 1992.

Reply to
mcp

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