My 10 year old+ whirlpool washer went out the other day 3/4 the way
through a load. would not drain and the main motor would not run.
Checked it out, and the motor did not have any power.
looked at the schematic, and it appeared that the timer
assembly was the problem. Priced a replacement at $110+ dollars.
ouch! old washer not worth that much.
SO i took the timer off and bent the tabs that hold it together straight
and took it apart (non repairable part). Figured out one of the contacts
had overheated. Had nothing to lose, so i sanded down the contact on
both sides and put it back together. Motor came back on, but it seemed
something was still not right. Did not want to drain right. I then took
the hoses off the pump only to discover a lump of fabric jamming the
pump. a long nose pliers and some words eventually pulled the lump of
crud out. Now it seemed to drain, but the pull switch on the timer was
stuck on. Then i noticed another plastic part on the floor. (whoops,
forgot one lever on the re assembly of the timer)
Put it back together, and she is working. Who knows for how long,
but i had little money to spend now and i kept it out of the scrap heap
for awhile longer.
I theorize the fabric jammed in the pump caused the motor to draw too
much current and overheated the switch contacts. Hope it last for a while...
Good show! Always satisfying to show these machines who's boss. :)
But, you may have done yourself a disservice, as the savings and benefits
from a frontloader replacing a toploader start immediately.
I don't know what the ROI is, but, depending on how much laundry is actually
being done (and where you live), I'm sure it's well under 5 years.
The fellow on
calculated that his ROI on a net investment of $150 was one year on just
water alone!!! He has to pay for waste water removal, but the other savings
would probably more than make up for that for others with municipal sewer.
Its funny you suggested that. I have looked into it when i get more
money. it seems to have advantages. BUT, it also seems many of these
units have problems that lead to frequent expensive repairs. So cost
savings many not lead to long term savings.
I saw a whirlpool Duet today on craigs list for $50. and i see maytags
frequently that have issues cheap. There not issues sandpaper and time
will solve without expensive parts.
What types? Mechanical or electrical?
In principle, the mechanics of a front loader are *much* simpler than
toploaders: no complicated transmission, for one. You have to take one of
those apart to believe them.... altho, they seem to prove very reliable.
Overall, you raise a major and unfortunate point. Solid State electronics
is but another strategy for sticking it to, or up, the consumer.
Someone posted here recently about their refridgerator needing a circuit
board replaced. WTF???
And extended warranties are a big part of that ripoff -- they are basically
telling you, up front, that the mfr does not have confidence in their own
products. Everybody wants an annuity.....
Garmin now wants to charge me for map updates. I'll be goddammed first. I
guess these updates are Garmin's annuity, eh?
Extended warranties are a big rip-off. However they are telling me that the
product is actually a good one if the price of the warranties is cheep
enough. They do not sell warranties on goods they can not make money off
of. Many times the extended warranties is not from the maker of the
product but a third party out to make money.
Maps for the GPS units are like the ink to the printers. New maps are not
too much cheaper than a whole new GPS unit and you get an updated GPS unit.
Yeah, printer ink, proly THE greatest annuity CorPirate Merka ever
Man, they could give away the printers for free, and STILL make out like
bandits -- like the bandits they are.
Altho, the absurdity of print cartridges seems to have made it to the
general zeitgeist, as companies are now advertising $5 cartridges. I'm sure
there is still a scam involved, but mebbe less of a scam than the current
Toss the color printer in favor of a cheapo b/w laser. I don't miss
my rip-off color Epson one bit and my Brother laser probably won't run
out of toner in my lifetime. If I absolutely must have a color print
of something, I'll take the file down to a commercial printer on a
flash drive and have THAT print made for a buck or two. TIP: if you
do get a b/w laser printer don't go too cheap. Make sure the toner
cartridge and print drum are separate items. I think I paid $80 for
my bullit-proof Brother.
I got a barely used HP LJ2100 for $65 a couple of years ago from CL. A ream
of paper fits perfectly in the two trays, and it has an envelope slot as
well. Since it's an office printer it has a duty cycle of 15,000 pages per
month, which means I will be using it for many years to come.
The only reason to get an inkjet printer is if you are a diehard
photographer who uses the printer enough to keep the ink flowing.
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:33:47 -0700, "Jon Danniken"
The ink is the problem, not the paper. You will find your colors start
fading pretty fast if the sun hits them. Ink jet photos are great if
you just want to show somebody your picture and they don't have a PC
but 10 years from now that won't be much of a picture.
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:58:25 -0700, "Jon Danniken"
Regular ink is outrageous, imagine what that must cost.
In real life, paper photos may end up largely being a historical
oddity in the near future. My grandkids are always fascinated with our
photo albums. They don't really understand a time when you didn't look
at pictures on your phone. We will probably end up being like it was
at the turn of the last century when people only had a few photos
sitting around in fancy frames that were more like art than idle
I know my kids do not have drawers full of bad photos in envelopes
that were never looked at more than once. I do not miss that
experience of paying for 27 pictures and only really keeping one or
two if any at all. Digital cameras have made the shot to print ratio
more like 5,000 to one for me although I do distribute a lot in email
or on my web site..
Look in craigslist and pennysaver rags. Many people sell perfectly
good washer/dryers sets cheap when they move cuz it's less hassle than
moving them. I got my top of the line GE W/D set for $100 cuz
neighbor didn't have room to take them. This was an older GE set,
top-loader with the little white lint trap riding on top of the
People make many claims for front loaders, but I've yet to use one
that actually cleaned clothes worth a damn. Nothing ever came close
to my GEs for getting clothes clean and they were a piece of cake to
work on for the two breakdowns (bad pump, leaking tub seal) I had in
10 yrs. Likewise, I left them for the next tenant to use, they still
You could always add a high current relay if the contacts burn again.
I'm old and I understand replacement parts are available for me, that
is, except for the CPU. Once it goes, that's it. It is glitching more
often as of late. Bzzzzzit! GRONK!
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