Thankfully, I have a lot less data than you to move around. It's not a
big deal to copy data from a smaller hard drive to a larger hard drive,
other than the hour or three that it might take to transfer the data.
Agreed, it was a lot harder to transfer data from cassette tapes or
floppy discs. You had to sit there and baby sit each transfer which
usually took a very long time.
Thankfully, once it's in digital form it just gets faster and faster to
migrate that data to new devices.
Yeah, but it's usually something you can start and walk away from.
It is definitely easier to scan papers as they come in than trying to go
back and scan piles of paperwork. I did that recently when I went
through our fire safe, took a couple of days to scan them all.
Same here. I still have a box of 35mm negatives in our safe deposit box
from our "pre-digital" days. Eventually I want to scan them all but I
know that will be a huge undertaking that I never seem to have time for.
I transferred my old LP's to cassette tapes, or simply bought new tapes
to replace them. When CD's came along, I transferred the cassettes to
CD's, or bought new CD's to replace them again. I probably bought several
of my albums two or three times over the years.
Thankfully, once the music was on CD's it was in digital form and I could
finally start copying it losslessly.
Some of my older, less popular, music was sounding rather bad after
multiple lossy transfers. I found digital versions of many of them on
places like iTunes. The rest I just bid farewell to.
We got rid of our VHS tapes long ago, but I do have three VCR's still in
storage. Every now and then I get a VHS tape I need to transfer, or a
family member asks me to transfer old videos for them.
Actually, I do go through my data from time to time and delete out old
files that are no longer needed.
I don't need bank statements for accounts we closed 20+ years ago.
I don't need receipts for stuff I threw away many years ago.
I don't need generic scenery photos from ten years ago if we can't even
tell where they were taken.
And so on... I don't do it all at once, of course, but I'll weed old
stuff out when I discover it. It doesn't make a huge dent in storage
space, but it's easier to find the useful stuff when the useless stuff
isn't cluttering everything up.
Wait until you have to "fsck" a 3T disk. Or, "scandisk"! :<
I was referring to the effort of transferring a "project" to a client
(located in another city/state). Nowadays, I can email huge attachments.
Or, put a file on an HTTP/FTP server and let them grab it "directly"...
at very high transfer rates! Years ago, it was impractical to move
many megabytes using modems (and paying for phone calls). Most of
the clients I dealt with would look at me blankly if I suggested they
set up a UUCP node (so we could benefit from the transport of others)
In the past, the problem has always been one of "organizing" the data.
Which drive has which files on it? (when the drives are sitting on a
shelf). With my new database approach, I don't have to worry about that!
Let *it* keep track of what's where so I can browse through the database
instead of having to drag out one drive after another, hoping to stumble
on what I'm looking for! Previously, I'd have to "ls -alR" each disk
and keep those "lists" on a live machine to scan sequentially in the hope
of a file/directory name ringing a bell.
I have *big* boxes of paper documents. E.g., my MULTICS collection is
several cubic feet. I'd need a couple of spare scanners as I'm sure
I'd "burn out" the ones I have! Esp the ADF's!
If they aren't "too old", *pay* someone to do it for you (a service
bureau). In my case, they were really old and even the emulsions were
in sad shape. So, a fair bit of TLC was required to get a useful image.
I did that for my "mainstream" LP's. It was easier just to buy them over
again. These, however, don't exist in CD form. So, I either listen to
them AS vinyl or take the time to do the transfer myself. With a fairly
good turntable/cartridge and 24b digital, you can "read once" and do all
the fixup and downsampling to 16b in post. But, its still many hours to
make a usable "CD" from each LP.
But never with any greater precision than your original choice of digitizing.
I have one located adjacent to my multimedia workstation. I can digitize
a tape and then handle the post-processing on that workstation to create
the final "DVD", MP4, etc.
I need all supporting information for my business, "just in case".
The amount of space I'll save in a file cabinet is nothing compared
to the hassle I could face trying to document a KEOGH contribution
or verify my adoption of specific new terms of the "plan". We dont
need receipts for many of the household items as credit card statements,
checks and/or the records of the folks who sold it to us are usually
enough (for warranty repair/replace).
Thankfully, I'm not big on photos! I only use them to "document
things": this is a photo of the PCB for project X; here is a photo
of the roof repair from 2001 (helpful if I notice a part of the roof
developing a REPEAT problem); this is what water coming off the back
of the house looks like in a Monsoon; etc.
I have a lot of research software/publications in my archive. In some
cases, I have the "only" copy (that *I* know of -- google won't find
anything; someone LIKE me may have a copy squirreled away) of many of
these things. Usually, I have the entire RCS/SCCS/CVS repository on
hand so I can actually recreate the project at any point in its
existence to see *what* was done to effect a particular change recorded
in the log.
Plus, the same with each of *my* projects (hardware and software).
And, of course, all of the tools I've purchased over the years.
If I was starting over, I'd build virtual machines for each
"development environment" and just archive those in their entirety.
And, "just say no" to oddball hardware that places constraints on WHERE
those VM's can be run!
(Unfortunately, historically, this has never been possible; an ICE
from vendor A might require a parallel port to communicate with my
host while one from vendor B might use a serial port and vendor C
a proprietaray "add in ISA card". Given that I'm *building* things,
I can't just watch my code execute on a CRT and claim that it works.
I need to watch the motor spin and the mechanism move -- and verify
that it stops when it reaches the limit of its travel, etc. Or, verify
the number of coins dispensed from a hopper are appropriate for the
"payout". Or, determine the smallest volume of a blood sample that I
can reliably detect. etc. So, hardware is ALWAYS involved in my
I've got afew Fujitsu scanners that have scanned close to a million
pages each - much of it double sided - and can scan 20 pages per
minute at 30 dpi all day.
Sadly there are no 64 bit drivers for them so I've had to look for
replacements. The rubber on the paper feed rollers is starting to
return to it's original latex gum consistanct now at about 10 years of
age (would have to check the id plates for the actual age) so
replacement is becoming necessary even in the 32 bit systems. These
scanners were worth over $2200 new and I bought most of them used for
around $250 5 nyears ago. (about 25 all together).
35mm slides are no fun - and negatives are even worse. I have a scsi
interface slide scanner/strip scanner , but again there are no drivers
for current OS.
On 5/6/2016 6:47 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
If I wanted to be in the paper scanning business, I'd buy a tool
appropriate for the job! :>
I scan anything that I want to preserve at 600dpi in greyscale or color
(as appropriate to the material) in the hope that *someday* OCR is
reliable enough to work "unattended". Too many visual artifacts manifest
at lower rates. And, I have no desire to sit and "proof" each individual
page coming off the scanner.
This goes to the "archive the OS and tools" comment I made.
And, explains why I am reluctant to update OS's "just for
the helluvit" (i.e., for no other technological reason).
I have no desire to repurchase all my hardware devices
(peripherals) AND software tools just to be able to say I'm
running the OS du jour.
[Especially when many of those things cost tens of kilobucks
and/or are no longer commercially available.]
Panasonic makes some nice scanners if you're interests lie in that
area. I know a guy who's been happy with a KV-S3065W (but, he
processes LOTS of paper)
Physical paper handling is always the problem. "Rubber" degrades
over time. Or, gets "slick" from oils, dirt and grime that it picks
up off the surface of the paper. This is particularly true if you
are scanning OLD documents that may have seen a lot of use before
you acquired them.
I used a "slide at a time" scanner -- though I have a B-size scanner that
will support laying dozens of slides on the scanner concurrently.
(the slide scanner scans at much higher resolution, though).
The post-processing problem with slides is that it is too easy to get
them "scanned crooked". And, if scanned at too low a resolution, you
start introducing artifacts as you try to rotate the skew out of
My favourite was some sort of 'backpack' - type tape drive that used the
parallel or SCSI port and could hold a couple of Gb.
At that time, CD-ROM was becoming popular for distribution. Everyone had
CD-ROM readers, but not everyone had CD-ROM writers.
My boss asked if I could make him a copy of the files on a CD which he
needed to return to whoever lended it out. I said yeas, and backed-up his
CD to a tape, and of course ran a verify afterwards to be adamantly certain
that the tape had an exact representation of every byte on the CD.
During the next few weeks, I ordered a CD writer, and eventually he asks
for a re-creation of the CD. I load up the tape, select all the files, and
Up pops a box: The files you selected are read-only. Please select files to
which you have proper access and try again.
I can recall using VHS video recorders (with a proprietary "black box"
that went to/from digital/analog format) as backup media. And,
HOPING that the tape was "portable" to another VCR if yours died!
And, you can't use ANY OTHER TOOL (software) to access the files.
Someone has invented their own special way of storing the data on
their own special device (tape).
The same is true, today, of COTS NAS devices. It *probably* runs some FOSS
OS. But, there's no guarantee that you can pull the disk out of the
NAS (when it dies) and try to recover the contents using a desktop
machine (e.g., with the drive installed in a USB carrier).
Or, if the "boot" drive in that NAS fails, you might discover that
you can't simply replace it -- even if you have the files safely
stored elsewhere -- as the software/firmware that makes the NAS
operational resides in a "hidden" place on that FAILED drive.
And, you don't have a way of copying it onto your new drive cuz
the old drive is kaput! (ditto if you are trying to upgrade
the disk before it fails)
Hence the reliance on having a backup of the *hardware* as well!
(some NAS's will complain if they encounter a "foreign" drive and
promptly offer to reformat it for you -- wiping all that precious
data in the process! :> )
[I had this in mind when I concocted my archive scheme; I can simply
move a drive to another machine and access it as a "regular" drive
(if the "appliance" that normally supports it dies). The NAS
and redundancy functions are not tied to the drive or its actual
Thankfully, I don't take any medications, so my drive would be empty. :)
Besides, any doctor or nurse in my HMO can pull up my full medical record,
including any medications I might be taking. I can log in here at home and
look it up myself as well.
Recently, my biggest computer failed. It was the power supply, and
replacing that fixed it. A lot of people would have had to replace the
whole thing (and create more trash) and spend a few hours reinstalling
everything (or actually a few days of weeks waiting for someone else to
do it), and possibly complaining about the lack of backups.
BTW, I'm thinking of the neighbor who became an unwilling victim of
I have sold some too (including my first "PC", with a 8088-compatible
V20 processor and 30MB hard disk that won't work with Windows).
We have curbside recycling on Thursday, and sometimes the pickup is
late. I will look through the mail while standing next to the recycle
bin. Most of it goes directly in there.
I repair the power supply. Many ofmy machines have "special" power
supplies. E.g., the power supply for my SB2000 is about the size
of most tower computers:
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The power supplies in my FX160's (of which I grow fonder with each
passing day!) is about the size of an egg roll.
etc. Oddball sizes/shapes and power capabilities.
For me to move to a new computer (even keeping the same OS) is a major
headache reinstalling applications -- AFTER sorting out the drivers
for the new box. I.e., building my three Windows workstations
(multimedia, document prep, eCAD) took the better part of two weeks
just to install all the software and sort out licensing issues.
I don't lightly contemplate "upgrades" unless I can see at least a
4-5X improvement (in "something")
We have one of those gi-normous bins on wheels about the size of the
regular trash bin. As we don't generate much "waste" (recyclable or
otherwise), it often sits for several weeks before we've enough to
make it worth the effort to drag to the curb (silly to force the truck
to make a stop just to pick up 1/4 of a container full of material!).
Trash, OTOH, goes out each week even if 1/10th of a container full.
Especially in the hotter weather!
You are so right about computer crash, and the endless
work to get all the programs "just right".
Good job, sir, about sending less computer to the
landfill. You aren't keeping the economy going,
spending money on computers. But you do reduce the
As for me, I'm on about my 4th power supply for this
2007 model frankencomputer. It's alive!
We try not to buy more food than we'll actually use, so any food waste
(carrot tops, banana peels, expired condiments, etc.) is minimal. We
don't produce enough food waste to bother with composting, and our
waistlines prove it. :)
Our recycling service is VERY picky about what they will accept. Basic
stuff like tin cans, cereal boxes, jars, and PET soft drink bottles are
However, they don't want food soiled boxes, frozen food boxes, or those
plastic clamshell packages like you get from the bakery. It's unfortunate
considering many of these are made of the same material as the ones they
do accept. We could recycle a lot more if they would take them, but they
have to go in the trash.
Plastic bags from the grocery store get taken back to the grocery store
I have very little electronic waste, but when I do I take it to the
I've switched to Eneloop rechargeable batteries for most electronics, so
I rarely have batteries to deal with. However, when I replace batteries
in my UPS I take the old ones to the recycling center.
Our local Home Depot takes old CFL bulbs, and a local hardware store
takes the larger fluorescent tubes.
We're on a septic system, so nothing but toilet paper and human waste
goes down our toilet.
We have two forested acres so any yard waste just gets tossed into the
"wild" areas to decompose over time. Natural composting. :)
I take motor oil to the recycler once or twice a year, along with other
used car chemicals (coolant, brake fluid, old paint, etc.).
Tire shops recycle our old tires when we buy new tires.
Large metal parts like hoods or doors go to the metal recycler.
- Plywood scraps, composites, and pressure treated lumber.
- Rags or paper towels soiled with paint or chemicals.
- Small car parts like air filters, spark plugs, alternators, light
bulbs, switches, etc.
- Clothing that is not good enough to take to Goodwill (torn jeans,
underwear, socks, etc.). Our recycler doesn't accept clothing.
- Mixed packaging materials like bubble envelopes.
- All bathroom waste. Tissues, Q-tips, floss, etc.
HerHusband wrote on Mon, 02 May 2016 23:20:04 +0000:
I'm curious how they would know what you put in there?
We have three trucks that come by on the given day.
The driver never gets out of the truck.
He pulls up to the bin, the machine picks it up and puts it in the back
of the truck.
How would they know what you put in the bin under those circumstances?
Out here you have to pay for plastic or paper bags at a grocery store.
It's the law.
I should have mentioned I take a LOT of things to Goodwill, which, in
effect, acts like a recycling center.
I'm on septic also. Poop. Pee. Toilet paper. And that's it. Just like you.
They probably wouldn't know, but the rules are there for a reason. I could
ignore it and make it someone elses problem, but I try to abide by their
They send reminders in almost every bill about not putting certain things
in the recycling bin. Every few months or so they also send out a big flyer
showing what should and shouldn't go in the bin. Just in case you didn't
read the big sticker on top of the blue bin. :) So, it's obviously an
ongoing problem for them.
I contacted waste management about the frozen food boxes and was told they
are treated to hold up to the moisture of the freezer. I'm not sure how
that differs from a milk carton that holds liquid (which they do accept),
but they have their reasons.
There have been talks around here about banning the plastic bags, but it
hasn't happened so far. So, we collect them and take them back to the store
every few weeks.
In San Francisco there are now garbage police (Trash Inspectors) who
will go out and randomly check bins for improper items. You get fined if
you are putting things in the wrong bin.
In my town we have curbside recycling of motor oil and batteries. You
have to make it convenient or thoughtless people will dump motor oil in
storm drains or put it in the trash.
Interesting. We're in a rural area so I doubt they do that here, but I
think we would do OK if they were to check.
Yep, we can set out motor oil in milk jugs and batteries on top of the bin
here too. We never have gallon milk jugs and I don't want to risk one
leaking all over the place by accident or vandalism.
I usually have other chemicals that need to be recycled as well (coolant,
brake fluid, old paints, etc.), so I just take it all to the recycler
myself. One or two trips a year is easy enough.
We used to have two pickups a week. Curbside recycling (presort
the materials). You could even set out an old piece of furniture
(they'd notice it and send someone around to pick it up).
Then, they started getting squirrely. I set some motor oil out in
a Clorox bleach container -- clearly marked "motor oil" (my thinking
being that the bleach container was far more robust than the flimsy
plastic 1G milk jugs). They refused to take it -- until I poured it
into a milk jug, the next week.
Of course, *they* simply pour it into the truck and leave the soiled
bottle for you! :-/
Another time, I broke down some cardboard boxes and stacked them neatly.
Guy got out of the truck to write (in magic marker) that I needed
to cut them down to a specific size (just a tiny bit smaller than
they were, in their natural form).
(sigh) Fine. I can play by those rules.
For us, it's a block out of our way. Biggest issue is remembering
which weekend (first of month) you need to target.
I frequently have batteries out of UPS's that can get recycled, there.
Costco used to take them (we're there every week) but has become a bit
more finicky. "Fine. I can play by those rules." And, the dregs of
the roof paint each year in a 5G pail (they claim I can just toss this
in the trash but I suspect not; why accept other paints and claim roof
paint is "safe"??)
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