we bought a new house, and got a bad roof job about 3 months ago, what do we do?

"your best insurance is an insurance broker"

Dealing direct with an insurance company through an agent (like StateFarm, Geico, Allstate et al) they hold all the cards. Dealing with a broker - particularly a fairly large broker with a large "book" of insurance puts some of the cards in YOUR hand. The broker works for YOU, not the insurance company. An agent works for the insurance company - not for you. Generally speaking, this means the broker goes to bat for you carrying a BIG BAT. If the insurer gets picky or nasty and doesn't cover what they should cover, they stand a very real chance of not only losing you as a customer, but possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars in premiums when the broker decides to move a sizeable percentage of their "book" to another company who is more likely to "play ball" when a client needs help.

I spend about 20 hours a week in a pretty good sized insurance brokerage where my youngest daughter is also Assistant Operations Manager, and I see that bat weilded on a pretty regular basis. If one company won't play ball, there are another 5 or six waiting in the wings for most policies. There are some risks that only one or two will cover, or be competetive on - and some companies that they only write policies with as a "last resort" because they are more difficult to deal with. - but generally if the CSR gets on the insurance company's case, things happen - and pretty quickly.

A phone call goes like "how many millions of dollars of insurance do we have with you? --- and how many claims have you had to pay out?

--- and you want to risk that kind of business by dragging this out for another month or making the insured jump through more hoops?? I didn't think so.. We will be expecting the check in the mail. You have a good day too -"

Or getting insurance for something a bit out of the ordinary for one of the "programs" - let's say well drillers. The broker calls the insurer of record and asks "can you cover -------? The insurer says "it's not something we run into every day - let me check." - and comes back with something like "What ro YOU think - what is this similar too and what kind of rating would you be comfortable with - you've got a pretty good record on this program - your loss ratios are REALLY low - how does $X per thousand sound to you"?

And the "uninsurable" has just been insured - often for far less than the customer was expecting - all because he's got the weight of a good broker (and an affinity group) on his team.

A good broker is worth his weight in gold when you need him!!!

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clare
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Unless his income is low enough he's not paying any appreciable amount of taxes as it is. Your strategy would likely save "some" taxes

- but significantly less.

Reply to
clare

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Great story and even nicer to hear from another hardened criminal :)

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Reply to
philo

All I gave was an example to explain the concept. I even started it off with "This is rough, but it explains the issue I am talking about." Use any tax bracket and any dollar amount you would like, the "math" is the same, the savings will obviously differ.

What I was discussing is the reason why some people do "small" Roth conversions every year. The goal is to distribute money from a qualified account at their current tax rate to avoid being bumped into a higher bracket when they reach 70 1/2 and are forced to take their RMD.

It doesn't make sense for everyone one, but it is a viable tax planning strategy for some.

Reply to
DerbyDad03

That was common with roll roofing, but not worth doing with shingles. Penny wise, pound foolish.

Reply to
Vic Smith

Yes. Most of us only see homeowners and high price auto insurance. A good broker makes sure you have the insurance you need for your circumstances. Twice I was in situations with large (multi million $) losses that would have put us out of business if not properly insured.

Reply to
Ed Pawlowski

When you use the title "agent", you need to be more specific. There are "captive agents" and "independent agents".

According the Investopedia, an independent agent does not work for "the" insurance company.

"Definition of 'Independent Agent'

An insurance agent that sells insurance policies provided by several different insurance companies rather than a single insurance company. An independent agent receives commissions for the policies that he or she sells, and is not considered an employee of a specific insurance company."

Granted, a "broker" may be even more independent than an independent agent, and a broker, by law, has a fiduciary duty to the client. However, in some cases, depending on the relationship between the policy holder and the independent agent, some courts have ruled that the agent was acting as a broker and could therefore have a fiduciary duty to the client.

In any case, my agent is an independent and offers insurance products from a number of carriers. The mere fact that she called me to tell me my rates were going down by ~40% is enough for me to continue our relationship.

Reply to
DerbyDad03

What the heck are you talking about?

All I was discussing was a tax planning strategy that could be employed by anyone that has money in a qualified account. There was no personal information shared or asked for and there was no "richer or smarter than" implied or intended.

What's got your panties in a wad?

Reply to
DerbyDad03

As I said in an earlier post, you don't have to leave the distributions in cash, you can reinvest the net amount in the same investments that were use d in the qualified account.

Obviously there will be less to invest and the growth will be taxed in a different manner (capital gains and dividends instead of income) so the strategy should be considered with careful planning to determine if it makes sense.

Reply to
DerbyDad03

Sounds like no personal banker, lawyer, accountant.

Reply to
Tony Hwang

On 02/03/2016 07:22 PM, Tony Hwang wrote: ]

You are correct, I have no personal banker, accountant or financial advisor. (Did hire a lawyer to do my will though)

A few times advisors have called on me and since I have been investing in the stock market for over 50 years and have been quite successful , I was the one who ended up giving them advice.

Started when I was 13 years old and my dad of course invested for me.

Mentioned this before somewhere but will repeat:

Choosing a good stock is not that difficult, the hard part is having the years of experience to know you can ride something out. VIZ: A cast iron stomach.

No matter what, the stock market has it's ups and downs and one must learn /not/ to panic and sell when things drop.

I started my daughter in the same tradition and she started calling the shots at even an earlier age then me. As a result the few thousand dollars worth of her childhood birthday and Christmas money grew sufficiently to put herself through college and graduate debt free.

I gave her a little help with car repairs etc but she has been damn independent.

Reply to
philo

I hired a lawyer once. He ripped me off. Now he's RIP himself.

Reply to
Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney

OTOH, my friend from Brooklyn has lived in apartments all his life. After he'd beea lawyer for a few years, he wanted to buy an apartment in Brooklyn Heights (where Patty Duke and her identical cousin lived) and walk across the bridge to work, but his fiancee had lived in Manhattan all *her* life and wouldn't agree to that. They ended up with an apartment on E. 57th and 1st, but because he didnt' work steady, coudlnt' find a job all the time, with the glut of lawyers in NYC, they sort of ran out of money and about a year ago moved to a southern state, where they are renting a small house (with their boxes all over the place) until they can buy a house.

But they (or maybe he) have so many demands, they can't find a house that meets all of them. Partly because the kind of house they want wasn't really built where they live now. I think they want a garage. They have lots of money now, because their apartment in NYC cost and sold for much more, even deducting the unpaid mortgage, than a house in the south costs.

They're in their late 50's and early 60's and I told them to buy a one-story house, for when they can't make it upstairs. They're both slim and healthy, but even slim people can get to the point where they can't climb stairs. Anyhow, I think he's ignoring me on that.

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Micky

The only other time I hired a lawyer was when I got divorced. since it was what they say a "friendly" divorce the fee was just $175

I figured it was easier just to agree with her.

A friend of mine spent $5000 on a lawyer and ended up having to give everything to his ex-wife anyway

Reply to
philo

AKA an "insurance broker"

You are dealing with a "broker" - a wise move.

Reply to
clare

Everything except for $5000.

Reply to
DerbyDad03

So you must be by now for sure a multi-millionaire?

Reply to
Tony Hwang

Divorce? Why married then? I am old fashioned.

Reply to
Tony Hwang

That is what happens when you get married when you are not ready to marry someone. There was a guy in my office when I was working. He divorced 3 times and he said first time is harder but it gets easier afterward. I now understand why he never owned a house or any valuable asset.

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Tony Hwang
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Good point!

He invited me over to his apartment after she left

An incredible feat: The place was empty yet at the same time, a complete mess!

Reply to
philo

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