Water Softeners, good or bad??

Jul 11, 2004 23 Replies

While i don't dispute that some people dislike softened water, i think there are many comfort level benefits other than for your appliances.

As you say, many opinions... so here's another. I know the OP said he already read about the pros and was just looking for cons but it makes more sence to re-iterate them all. And remember that hard/soft water is a scale. So one person's hard water won't be as bad/good as another person's.

Pros:

- Saves your appliances, pipes, showeheads, and faucets. Anything that has water running through it, and especially if it involves heating, will end up with that hard water buildup over time. Sometimes it's visible but sometimes it's in the internal piping and you won't know about it until it completely blockes waterflow or bursts a pipe. I don't think any one disputes that softened water is better for your appliances. But this extends to your taps, and even the inside of your bathtub and toilet. You know the CLR commercials that advertize how CLR will remove that calcium buildup from your bathtub faucet. Well with a water softener you won't get the buildup. Same goes for toilets. So any pipe, cold or hot, benefits from a water softener. Just doing the hot water isn't a full solution.

- Much easier on the skin. I don't know the technical reasons for this but softened water is much 'softer' on your skin. I guess it has something to do with what minerals are left as the water evaporates. Hard water tends to leave a dry and itchy sensation on some people. Softened water doesn't.

- Easier to use with soap. Soft water allows soap/detergent/shampoo to lather. In hard water you will have a hell of a time getting a good lather with shampoo or a bar of soap. And if you do dishes in the sink you'll really notice the difficulty. I've been told that soft water is much easier on the clothes, meaning they won't wear out or fade as fast in the washer. I don't know if this is because of the soft water itself or because you can use less detergent than you would have to with hard water.

- Makes better tea/coffee. I haven't tested this but it's usually in the literature for softeners. OR maybe it's just because with hard water the inside of your coffee/tea maker is already filled with deposits which flake off when you make your next cup.

Cons:

- Cost, maintenance. Water softeners can be expensive. A more expensive unit will regenerate less often usually due both to having more resin and being more sophisticated in determining when it needs to, instead of just doing it regardless every X days . Better ones also use less water to regenerate, and use less salt to regenerate. Other than the inital cost I've had no problems. I buy three 35KG bags of salt a year at $7Canadian a bag. No other mainteance required so far.

- Possible sodium intake. Some people think water softeners soften the water by adding salt. That's not true. The resin removes the minerals and when the unit 'recharges' it washes the resin with the salt brine. Some, but not a lot, of salt is left in the resin and therefore filters it's way into the softened water. As some peopel said you can use potassium chloride if you are on a low sodium diet. Or just get a separate hard water tap sent to the kitchen sink for drinking water. That's what I do. My entire house is softened except for the kitchen drinking tap and the outside taps.

- Washing soap OFF! Softened water makes soap lather much better. BUt it also makes it nearly impossible to get the last of that slick soapy feeling off your hands. It's not horrendously bad but after doing dishes and rinsing my hands off i usually run them under the hard drinking water tap for the final rince. I can notice the difference. Some shampo brands are worse than others when in the shower too.

Gad that's a long post. The only unavoidable con is if you really really dislike how hard it is to completely rinse the soap off while in the shower. But the itchy dry skin feeling from hard water is, IMHO, much worse so i live with it. Just start using Zest if it annoys you. Because 'Zest rinses you fully clean" :-)

Kevin

040711 2230 - rdkapp posted:

I lived in a subdivision of 52 homes that were fed with a water system that had two water pumps and wells, both were extremely hard water. When we move into the house, I found that the water system in the house had a pressure that was so low that when taking a shower, if someone flushed the toilet, you were all done taking a shower until the toilet tank filled up. I had bought a couple of RainBird water sprinklers for watering the lawn and there wasn't enough water pressure to work those. I checked with a neighbor and he clued me in. The 3" mains in the street get this orangy pulpy sediment, and it plugs up the 3/4" taps that go to the houses, and also gets into the plumbing in the houses. I didn't know this when I bought the house. He told me that some of the neighbors had their lawns dug up and new lines put in, costing a few thousand bux. He also told me that he had fixed his own situation by turning off the main valve in his basement and taking the plumbing apart and then opening the valve -- which was a gate valve -- and then pushing a metal electricians fish tape down the length of the line to the street and cleaning out the line in that way. He said he would help me do the same. When I opened up the main valve in my basement to shove the fish tape into it, the water only bubbled up about an inch above the top of the valve. As we shoved the tape through the pipe, we hit about three clumps that we had to force the tape through, and with each clump the water shot up about a foot higher. The last clump was at the street connection when the water shot up and hit the ceiling joists. We quickly removed the tape from the pipe and shut off the gate valve. The excess water ran down into the sump just a little ways away. This was certainly a lot cheaper than digging up the yard for a new line, and it only took about an hour. I thanked him for the help, and put the plumbing back together. I had to run the water in the sink for a few hours after that to get the red pulpy crap out of the pipes that had settled there, but the water pressure was great. I'm relating all this as a prelude to what I did following this episode.

I decided to redo the plumbing, installing new copper lines in the house, which had galvanized pipe. In doing so, I installed, after the main gate valve, a Cuno water filter with a 20 micron filter cartridge. After that I had the Culligan water softener. I ran unfiltered water to the two outside water faucets for watering the lawn. I ran filtered water pipes to the toilet, and a drinking water tap at the kitchen sink, which was a separate small faucet beside the main Delta faucet. All the other water in the house was softened water. It really made a world of difference in washing clothes, washing hair in the shower, sudsing for bath or shower. And for drinking water in the kitchen there was no salt added. It tasted like hard water, but it wasn't distasteful, and it made good coffee water, depending on individual taste. We got used to it. The Culligan man came once a month to take out the old and bring in the new. It worked out real well.

An offshoot from that...

I made up a system of brass valves and had a 5000 PSI portable tank with some flexible fittings and a garden hose. The subdivision suffered greatly from this water pressure problem, and for a few bux I would relieve their anxieties by blowing, under extreme pressure, their service water lines back into the large main, and, therefore, restoring their water pressures in their homes. I connected the garden hose to the system of valves and would give the main a jolt with the pressure tank, and then quickly switch the valves and allow the water to come back and out the garden hose into their yard, therefore washing out the red pulpy crap from their main water line under their yard. Sometimes it only took a half hour to clear the water. One took several hours. The homeowner held the hose and watered his lawn in the process. When the water became clear, he would shut off the valve. They were all thankful that this process was available for them and that they didn't have to spend BigBux and have their lawns tore up. It worked well all 'round.

That's what I recall from having only rainwater on the farm in my youth.

MB

On 07/13/04 02:02 pm kevins_news2 put fingers to keyboard and launched the following message into cyberspace:

Good points. But most people who are "watching their salt intake" are doing so unnecessarily.

The only condition adversely affected by salt is hypertension. 94% of the population does not have hypertension and of the six percent that do, only half of those have the type of hypertension that is bothered by salt. Salt does not CAUSE hypertension.

So, for 97% of the population, eat as much salt as you want.

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