I don't think it's rust. Rust in the water has a more orange color to it
which I'm familiar with but this is distinctively yellow in color.
I hope it is not the hot water heater going bad. It's a bad time of year
for me to install a new one...
Anyway, I haven't had a chance to try any of Thomas' suggestions yet but I
hope to tonight.
No, it isn't. It's improper terminology. Much like everything being
a 'virus' on a computer, even when it's not. Viruses replicate,
trojans (which is what most malware is these days) do not. Improper
Like I said, improper terminology and lack of interest in using the
correct terminology. We have specific words with specific meanings
for a reason.
Compared to water heaters, boilers, or hydronic heat systems,
require complex pumps and controls. This is because boilers not only
heat but also boil water, changing it into steam. While a water
heater is effective for only small spaces, a boiler can heat an
entire complex, pool or tub.
Because boilers operate in a closed-loop system, they are highly
efficient compared to water heaters. A closed-loop system means that
after the extraction of heat from steam, the steam changes into
water and goes back to the boiler through the pipes where boiling
takes place once again.
Another difference between these two is that water boilers can run
on natural gas, heating oil, electricity or propane, while water
heaters can run on solar, electricity or gas. Water boilers can also
run on alternative fuels, such as wood pellets.
A conventional water heater is essentially a storage tank containing
heating elements. It generates heat by using electricity or gas
power, warming water to 125 degrees and maintaining the temperature
through a thermostat. When the water us needed in a shower,
dishwasher or other appliance, it is siphoned from the top of the
tank and piped to its destination. At the same time, new, cold water
is added to the bottom of the tank, where it is heated for future
Boilers convert water to steam, which is used for a variety of
purposes, including heating air within a forced air heating system,
heating water for household uses or even steam-cleaning carpets and
furniture. Considered safe, boilers are also relatively inexpensive
to use, thanks to their closed loop system. They are capable of
operating on green power, such as burning corn pellets or firewood.
In fact, those who finance their purchase of boilers say the savings
in energy costs offsets interest paid.
Sarcasm, because beating the living shit out of deserving people is
On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 6:00:01 AM UTC-4, Diesel wrote:
No, they don't. The majority of "boilers" merely heat hot water. Steam boilers are a smaller percentage of the total.
I don't like that terminology, I think the term should be reserved for something that makes steam, but for whatever reason that is how it is used.
Then there is the Apollo type system, where an open loop boiler/hotwater heater does both hydronic heating and domestic hot water heating.
Mar 2017 12:26:41 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:
That's ONLY because they have an upper heat limiter installed on them
and/or by design won't reach steam level temps, otherwise, they'd be
making steam. They're used for 'hot water' only because they're much
more efficient at doing it, and much quicker. Many commercial
restaurants for example use a tankless water 'boiler' to provide hot
water to the devices in the store.
Aside from that, the term 'hot water heater' is still a bit of an
oxymoron if you're using it to describe the device in your house that
makes water hot for you. The incoming water isn't hot, obviously. Only
the outgoing water is. So, it can't very well be adding more heat to
something that's already 'hot' -- None of this takes into account homes
built with geothermal technologies. That's another ball of wax.
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by,
On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 at 9:36:16 PM UTC-4, Diesel wrote:
No, that's garbage. I've been inside a steam boiler (got to retube those periodically, you know. Well, probably you don't know.) It's not just a temperature limit switch, it's a different design.
Every hear of a high water safety? Didn't think so.
I never run the shower until it's cold.
Therefore I never drain the hot water tank. Therefore it is never really cold.
So what happens is the hot water temperature dips, the thermostat cycles, and it heats the tank back up.
Hot water tanks are usually set between 104 F and 124 F, let's say an average of 114. Water supply in my area dips as low as 45 F in winter, may be as high as 80 in summer.
I would agree that 45 F water is cold and if you drained the tank completely you would be heating cold water. But that doesn't happen; you are always heating a mixture and most of it is hot.
Mar 2017 12:07:38 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:
Yes, I have, actually. You shouldn't assume things about people you
don't know. I also know that the WATER HEATER in my house is NOT A
HOT WATER HEATER, the incoming water isn't already hot! It's a water
heater, it heats the water (in my case 165degrees) and maintains that
When something in the house uses some, fresh, cold/mebbe luke warm
depending on time of year goes into it to replace what I took out,
and, it resumes heating that water to the desired temperature, if I
actually took enough to make a difference to it. And that's all it
But hey, at the end of the day, if the OP wants to give someone a
good laugh, feel free to continue calling it a 'hot water heater'.
Plumbers, electricians, parts person where you bought it or are
looking to buy one will enjoy the home owners wannabe expertise on
the subject. If they're professional, they'll just nod their head and
that customer will be the subject of conversation in route to the
next service call.
If they aren't as professional, they might ask the customer if
they're looking to purchase a boiler, rather than a water
heater...Yes, the person knows what the customer is actually looking
for, but the customer is using the wrong terminology if he's calling
that water heater in his house a 'hot water heater'. If the water is
already hot, you don't need it further heated, do you? Bit redundant,
wouldn't you say? Unless, we're discussing boilers.
Proper terminology is important. People who don't know any better
call everything that's rogue software a 'virus'; the majority of the
time, especially these days, there's no actual virus on the machine,
but a trojan instead. They aren't the same thing, not even close.
Viruses and worms intentionally replicate their own code. Trojans do
not. What people call malware these days can usually be removed by
deleting the associated executables and modded registry keys.
Viruses, heh, you don't just delete an executable or two and
reconfigure some keys to get rid of it. It doesn't work that way.
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are
too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get
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