I know this has been discussed before, but I could not pull up the past
posts dated 2004.
I am thinking about purchasing a nine-year old home with vinyl siding.
It looks perfect, and hardly has any pieces that overlap. Most of that
is on the back of the home.
Can you please give me any negative/positive comments?
Good vinyl siding will last for many years and takes little care. My house
was built in 1978. The siding is still in excellent condition. I wash it
down maybe once a year. The climate we are in ranges from below zero to
well into the 90's in the summer.
I'd not hesitate at all to buy another house with it or to have it put on my
house. If it was wood siding, I'd have painted or stained a half dozen
times by now. As I approach 60, I'm not looking for more work around the
I'm looking at Royal board and batten siding for my house. Entire house (not
just gables or accents).
I like the vertical aspect of it, I'd possibly go for cedar board and batten
but, like you, I want it to be low-care. But I'm a little concerned that it's
unusual in this area (upstate NY), and may seem "commercial" to some.
Any thoughts on that?
It's a small ranch house. I think it will fit. But I have tastes different
from most of the surrounding. I have very few examples to look at - the siding
dealer gave me 1 address for residential, and it looked OK on a
pseudo-contemporary (actually I would have done more with it and trimmed out the
windows in a contrasting color).
You get what you pay for with siding. The better stuff is thicker,
is the same color throughout and will last MANY years if installed
I had been doing work to the front of my home. I ripped off the
aluminum siding, then the old cement fiberboard under it.
To clean the place up a bit I bought 4 squares of siding, some
and the starter strips. 300.00 bucks (delivered) and 2 solid days of
work and my house was resided in the front. ( I couldnt stand to look
at tar paper and tyvek for long)
Here in our humid climate, vinyl siding is often applied over wood
siding and thus hides raging wood rot caused by the high humidity over
an extended period of time. But if there is no wood siding
underneath, it can be great.
Personally, I don't like vinyl siding because of a few problems I've
encountered professionally (home inspector). In some cases:
1. Thin vinyl tend to crack easily, so you have to be careful where
you place a ladder. The older it gets, the more brittle it gets...
it's inherent in all plastics exposed to weather. The UV factor.
2. It fades. Don't kid yourself. You'll never match a 10-year-old
job unless it's white, and even then it dulls out.
3. Bees and carpenter ants love vinyl siding and the associated
flashing/trim that leaves gaps which can be used to enter the voids
behind the siding/trim. Carpenter ants especially like damp wood to
nest in and no... they don't eat the wood, just nest there.
4. Powerwashing repeatedly seems to put an inordinate amount of
moisture behind the siding which can cause mold as well as provide
moisture for carpenter ants.
5. Seems that if a house is heavily shrouded with trees, the ones with
vinyl siding seem to get more instances of greenish mildew than wooden
siding. Can't really explain the consequences though... just what I
see on a daily basis here in New England.
6. Purely aesthetic, but I don't think you can paint vinyl siding and
expect it to last 7-10 years, plus you can't paint darker colors
because vinyl expands and contracts like crazy and that might cause
paint to blister/peel. So going from Hyannis Tan to Nantucket
Charcoal <grin> is a no-no.
I'd be really interested in the opinion of a home inspector in New England -
what do you think is the best form of siding, esp. concerning bees and ants.
I'm in upstate NY (non-coastal).
This is a no brainer, it doesn't take a professional in any field to figure
out cheap, thin, recycled material can't match up to a good quality vigin
What did you do? Bust through some siding because you didn't know how to
properly set a ladder?
Well, hello. What doesn't fade?
Damp wood? This isn't caused by vinyl siding. This would be caused by
infiltration because of poor workmanship which could include a variety of
any of the exterior coverings.
Any structure is subject to bees and carpenter ants.
Do you preform a moisture test or infra-red test which concludes all vinyl
siding leaks? Absolutely absurd.
If you haven't a clue how to powerwash properly, you will blow water under
the siding. Heck, I've even seen busted windows, and shredded decks because
of improper use of a powerwasher. How do you draw a conclusion this is
because it's vinyl siding?
Paint will absorb part of coloring, water can not pentrate vinyl, hence the
mildew stays on the surface. This is really basic knowledge which you
should know about.
Good Grief. Vinyl is a no/low maintenance building material. You're
comparing painting a wood siding, to vinyl. Apple & Oranges anyone?
I used to be in the trades for 26 + years. I just hate it when I see
someone with absolutely no building knowledge, put down a product with
absurd off the wall remarks.
Vinyl siding, like any other product has cheaper stuff and
the more expensive stuff.
The virgin solid color (throughout the material its the same color)
with a decent thickness isnt bad stuff. I used it and it looks great.
You should NEVER need to paint it. Nor would I even try. As
for it fading, only time will really tell. The stuff has gotten better
over the years.
If you dont either use tyvek or at least tar paper under it, your just
asking for problems.
Only thing about vinyl siding is that when its REEEEALLY cold
out the siding can become very stiff and easily break if
something is thrown hard at it. The thicker stuff would probably be
less prone to this happening.
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:15:38 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
You might be interested in Nova Brik mortarless brick siding.
Today, I attended a training secession conducted by Nova Brik.
I am not a contractor but a DIY homeowner.
Last two weeks I was repairing wood rots and siding around the
house together with the painter. I asked my painter, if I need to
replace the siding should I choose aluminum or vinyl. He said
neither as both will hide woods' rots behind the siding and aluminum
will dents. Vinyl becomes brittles as it age. In a few months I will
replace the siding of the house we planned to buy after selling
our present house.
Nova Brik originates from Canada, licensed and manufacture in MO.
Rather wasting bandwidth here, you might be interested to explore
further in their website www.novabrik.com
BTW, the training is free. At the end of the secession, they gave each
attendees a VCD, VHS tape, training manual, certificate and etc. Go
to their website and find out if they conduct free training secession in
your City. The four hours you spent, will be well worth it. After the
training you will be a certify installer and 75% of the attendees were
Interesting material. I'd like to see if it would work well with ICF
construction. They don't have anything in the instructions about it but that
would be a natural pair up. ICF's like www.standardicf.com or
Please excuse me. I'm not familiar with ICF. Why don't you call
Nova Brik, they might conduct a training secession near you or
maybe your Home Centers may have a Nova Brik mockup? I
saw the mockup up at Lowes and I signed up for the training.
I have an extra CD, if you like I could send it to you :-)
Disclaimer: I have no relation with Nova Brik, just a homeowner,
who plan to install Nova Brik.
Thank you for the information and ICFs site. I am not trying to oversell Nova
Brik, but after viewing the CD this evening, I am convince I could manage. I
have all the necessary tools except a chop saw to cut the bricks. Since you
are an experience woodworker, do you think I might damage my 12" wood
miter saw, if I replace the carbide blade with a diamond blade for dry cutting?
BTW, DIY homeowner thinking of upgrading their house to vinyl siding
should check out Nova Brik and ask for the CD or DVD or VHS.
Better still attend one of their free training class.
Disclaimer: Again definitely no relation to Nova Brik!
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