If I want to move a toilet a few inches to the rear, toward the back wall of
the bathroom in a slab-floor home, is there some kind of offset I can use
that doesn't necessitate the use of a jackhammer? I seem to recall a 1 or
2-inch tall offset for toilets being available that simply routes waste a few
inches over. It simply bolts over the existing pipe flange, if I recall.
But I can't find anyone who knows what I'm talking about or where to buy such
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:36:04 -0700, Speedy Jim wrote
GOOGLE IS NOT THE ANSWER TO EVERY USENET QUESTION. If you would have
bothered to read your own google results, you would see that these hits all
talk about replacing the toilet flange (ie, jackhammering).
Please, if you're going to give GOOGLE as an answer, review the results to
see if they're at all applicable to the question before posting.
This was also found on one of your hits, Jim.
"Always install the center of the flange 12 inches from where the finished wall
surface is projected to be. Never just measure from the edge of the rough wall
framing. This screw-up is so common that toilet manufacturers make special bowls
to compensate: a 10-inch rough-in bowl if the flange is too close, a 14-inch if
it's too far away."
I looked at a few of the googled sites and based on your post Speedy Jim
seems to have supplied you with an answer. Have the courtesy to indicate
what it is that makes his answer inapplicable.
I didn't look at the link. BUT.
IMO Speedy Jim is one of the BEST, if not 'THE' best, most concise
posters in this group.
I've never seen him advise about things he's not knowledgeable about.
AND he's most always right. (I say most because I can't claim he is
A top notch plumber I'd guess. never condescending either.
Giving out free advice whilst there are so many wantabe's telling you
how 'they once saw their' brother do it.
Speedy is a professional.
If I wore a hat, Jim it'd be off to you.
I'm not questioning Jim's qualifications. Listening to others in this forum,
I accept that he's one of the best.
It is exactly this kind of experience, knowledge, and guidance I was hoping
to gain from him. Being given a "go google" does not give me any of the
I hope you can all see the difference.
You're right, Dave; a forum is the expression of many ideas
and nobody always has the "right" answer. That's what makes
Usenet so valuable.
IIRC "This Old House" did a "move the toilet" job within
the last year and it involved putting the bowl up on a raised
base so that the offset "device" could be used.
Find the This Old House site and there should be an article about it.
If raising the bowl up is not an option, then you're stuck with
replacing the flange. How that gets done depends on what the
floor is made of and what pipe material, lots and lots of variables.
As someone else noted, you can get a 14" rough-in toilet.
Figure on $200-300 cuz they're special.
Or.....build a fancy wooden/acrylic "shelf" to fit behind the
tank lid. Often that can make it look like it was designed
that way as part of the room and makes a pleasing effect.
News flash! Screwy home owner fix it jobs like this are spotted
immediatly by even most unsavy home buyers. Often making it almost
impossible to ever sell the home. Why is it people that would never
mess with a $30,000 car have no problem completely botching a $100,000
That, I suppose, could be true. Assuming this were visible AND ugly,
which it isn't necessarily.
That, however, beggars belief. What on earth would be the impediment?
Perhaps the new owners would like to redo the bathroom entirely anyway,
in which case spending a few extra bucks to move the toilet back isn't a
I can't think of a single home that I know that hasn't been altered in
*some* way without the assistance of a professional.
I guess we have different definitions for "botch".
In 18 years in the business I havn't met a single homeowner that
should be installing an offset flange in their home. It can hurt
flushing which is poor allready if it's a low-flush toilet. If it
isn't mounted correctly the toilet will shift. That leads to leaks
that at best are smelly. Get that slab soaked with waste and it will
And in 40 years as a homeowner, I haven't met a professional who would do
the job right. You can dump on the homeowners all day long, but the only way
we'll get a decent job done is to tough it out and do it ourselves.
Sound like bull shit to me. LOL
"Get that slab soaked with waste and it will
ever hear of bleach and water?
i have yet to meet a decent *so called* professional yet, myself.
but in defense of the *real* professional, i go with mid range
estimates. there is always something to pick on.
you get what you pay for.
to the OP. Home Depot has offsets, go to a plumbing supply, they have
offsets. in any case your going to have to break up the floor some
what to set it in place.
try the offset first, you can always brake up more cement later on.
for a stinking (pun) 1 or 2 inches, you must be a perfectionist.
I myself am an advocate of Search engines. i might have found what
your looking for? let me know. above ground off sets?
below ground, there would be no need for a *Toilet flange offset" and
HD does have them, if that what your looking for.
key words. "toilet flange", offset, plumbing supply
i briefly read the page. i would use cement to close off the opening.
as you are working on a slab. drill holes so you can anchor the
flange. for the fresh cement insert a wood dowel and then drill it out
to insert the anchors / to hold down/mount the flange.
Same reference given by Bob K in this thread.
Maybe I'm missing something, but this page shows opening the floor to use
this flange. I want to avoid this solution, if possible. Are you saying that
it is possible to use this flange and *not* open the floor?
Please, no Google links. I wouldn't ask a
question here if I hadn't done that already.
you didn't explain clearly what your objective was. sorry, your fault.
just stated you didn't want to use a jack hammer and were looking for
toilet off set.
Jackhammers are not used when a cold chisel will suffice.
a toilet off set is a toilet off set. is just that, a toilet offset.
that's what you asked for. sorry again, your fa
yes you are missing something. it called your cake and wanting to eat
anyway if its all pvc. use the flange like the one on the link provide
above, place a coupling of some sort ( you figure it out) to the new
flange . float a new pad of cement around that.
going to look like hell, but it's your home.
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