Deputies in Kent County, Mich., are looking for three men who allegedly
stole shopping carts full of copper items and tools from Menards stores in
Ohio and Michigan, according to a report by WZZM-TV.
Authorities have identified 38-year-old Franklin Miller, 27-year-old Lance
Trecek and 23-year-old Thomas Schafer as the suspects. In at least three
incidents, detectives said, merchandise was stolen when one person stood at
a checkout holding a large piece of drywall or fencing to block the
cashier's view. The other two men would then push out carts full of copper
This happens every time copper reaches near $4 a pound.
Copper has been over $3/lb since june/july, and over $3.50 since early
Copper crashed and reached a low point in Jan 2009 around $1.25, and
from there it's pretty much been increasing linearly ever since (with a
major hickup in February and June this year).
Copper really has never been higher than $4/lb, not at least during the
past 5 years.
High prices seem to coincide with low stock-house inventory levels, but
we're still at high stock levels compared to 3, 4 and 5 years ago, so
these high copper prices reflect a bubble of some sort.
Until sanity brings copper back down, everybody better keep their
outside copper hvac and electrical stuff well protected.
You don't have to go all the way to africa to see that.
Lots of stories here in US/Canada about people driving down country
roads with telco or electric wire tied to the back bumper of their
pickup truck, driving down country roads ripping wires off poles.
I took a pickup load of scrap metal over to the scrap yard a few weeks
ago. I had about 1700 pounds of scrap that I got $156 for but I had a
bucket of just copper that weighed ten pounds and got $21 for that.
But to sell the copper, I had to give my ID, social security number
and a thumb print. The paid me cash for the scrap and wrote a check
for the copper.
Around here, there are guys that just travel the roads with a tuck and
trailer looking for stuff people leave out beside the road to get rid
of. That was my first ever trip to the junk yard so now I can see how
they make a bit of money doing that. You don't even have to take stuff
apart. You just drive up on the scales and get weighed then go to the
yard where they just take a big magnet and lift all the junk right out
of your truck and then go back and weigh your empty truck and get your
soon cash will be obsolete, everything done with debit credit cards
for easy tracking.
but no card needed, just a convenient chip in your skin. put hand on
scanner it reads your id chip and confirms your fingerprints.
brings up a screen of cards you can use pick one and go.
much more secure and your in the system.....
big brother just started launching a constellation of new spy says,
antennas the size of a football field.
to defeat terrorism
I'm debating selling my copper scrap. I have a 55 gal drum full of
wire ends, pipe cut-offs, etc from a liftime of tearing down
buildings, rehabing two 'shacks', etc. I'd have to empty it one
bucket at a time as I can't even move it now.
Chuckle. Back in the day, before copper was valuable enough to have a
dedicated scrap collection bucket on job sites or in the truck, 12 and
14 ga copper trimmings, and even 24? ga phone cable trimmings, were a
common art class item at HS and college level. Copper pipe stubs as
well. Give the kids experience with metal forming and soldering and
such. Jewelry, little wire-form sculptures, window/wall hanging things,
that sort of stuff.
Dunno what they use these days, if anything. I know the fancy stuff on
rolls from art supply houses was way overpriced, even back then. I
presume the boxes of scrap wire I saw in classrooms as a kid were from
friends of the teacher, or the in-house electrician, or donated by
parents of students. But I saw them in several different cities and schools.
Large family? I've got a grand Nephew, or is that great nephew,
anyway, he's my niece's son and he is about to turn 20 years old and
has never had a real job. Now he's got his 17 year old girlfriend
By the time I was his age I had already been working a job that
withheld taxes for almost five years. And I was in an area that was
worse off economically than Michigan is now. But the best he can do is
take a couple of college classes and stop by his grandma's place once
in a while and help her for a couple of hours for $20.
He is a nice young man but he is naive and hardly ready for parenthood
because his parents have raised him in the culture of food stamps, ill
used student loans, public assistance and parental dependence.
When I started college, I was working night shift in a defense plant
that produced 20mm practice and tracer rounds for the USAF during
The Vietnam War. I've never had any kind of public assistance even
when I could have used it. The last time I drew unemployment was more
than 30 years ago. I have no problem finding work, I have trouble
getting out of bed and walking. For that reason I have a law firm
helping me to reluctantly get disability payments. I'd rather work
but chronic pain keeps me from doing so every day. I could have gotten
on disability years ago but resisted it until now when I'm tired of
fighting the pain to work.
I'm getting over walking pneumonia which knocked me on my butt for three
weeks now. As I've told all those involve, I want to get well so I can
work full time again. I've seen people get these big disability payments
and they go off and spend it on booze, gambling and dope. It's
unbelievable, I've seen a number of jerks who have little wrong with
them get some big disability check and they go out and just blow it. I
suppose I don't want to be associated with that bunch, I'd rather work
for what I get.
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