Looks like we've got roof rats. There are a few different poisons
available, but I am concerned that the poisons will cause the rats to
seek a dark corner to die in - 2 years ago they did that and I had dead
rats all over my garage.
Is there a poison that will make them seek light? I heard there was,
but none of them declare that - they are just full of warnings.
I could trap, but I would still have to dispose of them somehow, so
poison seems OK to me.
I am not an animal rights/tree hugger, so I really do not care how I
get rid of them. Just want it to be relatively clean and low cost.
This was the problem with rat poisons for centuries. Warfarin changed
that by the way in which it works. As a strong blood anticoagulant
(thinner) it causes their lungs to bleed internally. Their instinctual
reaction is to seek open air in which to breath freely to get the
oxygen their bodies need. So they will die in an open space, but
nothing will spare you the yucky task of collecting their bodies for
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 22:52:21 -0600, someone wrote:
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Here is some related material that I posted on an earlier, related
<< I was most interested by your ace in the hole. Antifreeze. I would
be interested if anyone has knowledge if Antifreeze would pose the
same danger to house animals as poison does. (snip)
In any mammal, including humans, ethylene glycol (the major component
of earlier generation antifreezes) will convert to oxalic acid in the
body which crystallizes in the kidneys, causing a painful internal
bleed leading to death. (A few humans have been saved from same with a
kidney transplant). The sweet odor and taste of it attracts animals and
even small children to consume it. It is one of the major causes of dog
deaths in this country. (the newer antifreezes use propylene glycol,
which is far less toxic).
The Warfarin products that some rat populations are resistant to is
believed to be due to the emergence of a digestive bacteria in the
target rats that produces large amounts of vitamin K, which counteracts
the Warfarin. I believe some newer baits have been formulated with an
antibiotic that kills this bacteria so the Warfarin can do its work. I
do not know the brand name, or where to get it.
I have used a Benjamin .22 pump air rifle with some occasional
The antidote for rat poison is vitamin K1 which is derived from green
leafy plants.... vitamin K2, which can be made from the digestive
bacteria of animals, which is also is added to dog food to make the
coats shiny has no antidotal qualities to the anticoagulants. (so rats
aren't curing themselves by eating undigested food in dog feces)
Warfarin is an early generation of rat bait, the newer generation of the
anticoagulants work different than warfarin and rats don't seem to have
a resistance to them.
On 27 Nov 2006 05:39:07 -0800, " email@example.com"
That is the problem with most poison strategies. Non-targeted species
get killed. That is why I prefer live trapping. Then I get to see what
I am eliminating and have the option of releasing non-targeted
Ordinary rabbit trap (made of wire, not wood) available from farm supply
Bait with nuts or whatever, place trap and occupant in trashcan of water
(keep fingers away from occupant),
remove deceased occupant, repeat as necessary.
For what it's worth, I have rat bait out in around 200 homes year round
and probably do at least another 30-40 homes a year that just want rat
control and I will get calls to look for a dead rat maybe a dozen times
a year and several of those calls will be from the same house. Rats can
die in the structure, usually found laying in the attic or crawl space,
but due to the nature of their living habits, they don't. I would guess
they died in the garage because they were actually living in the garage.
Adressing the reasons why they were there can be enough sometimes to
have them move on. Snap traps in a setting like a cluttered garage can
be an aternative to make sure nothing dies behind a stack of boxes.
The first thing is to find and seal up their access route, then trap
them out. Poison sounds easy until you start looking for a dead rat.
You can drown them but I usually just give them a load of .22 rat shot
and throw their body in the river for the alligators
I know nothing of the methodologies of killing rats, but only how crafty
they are. Our condo had infestations a couple of times, and has been
careless about keeping trees trimmed so rats can't access the
roof/attic. I have found dead ones beneath palm trees a couple of
times, and once right below a downspout. I have heard them in
downspouts a couple of times, but was amazed to see one scurry across
the ground, jump into the downspout and go UP the downspout. Might help
to fix some wire mesh to the bottom of downspouts.
They allegedly don't like to travel on the ground, and go for fences,
tree limbs, etc. to travel on. They have "runs" and it might work to
bait or trap them if there is such a place in your yard.
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