Worse - He believes that government demands that *you* owe someone a living wage.
Damned straight.
You'll never see medical care more expensive than when it's free. Zero price => infinite demand.
Not going to happen.
LOL
If that were true, he would have moved more towards the center like Clinton did. Faced with a Republican Congress, Clinton found ways to work together, even "ending welfare as we know it" Actually it was more like a reform, but you get the point. Obama has remained hard left. Now of course you're going to say, "but it's those rascally Republicans that are the problem."
To which I'd give the most recent of many examples that show that the problem is Obama. Just last week Netanyahu asked to meet with the president this week when he will be in the USA. Obama said he's just too busy..... You have Iran building a nuke, Israel nervous and wanting a resolution before it's too late, and Obama snubs the only true ally the US has in the region. See the problem?
And he snubbed him before, abruptly walking out of a meeting at the White House a year or so ago, saying something to the effect that he was going to dinner and you can leave via the rear door. But of course he is planning on meeting with Eqyptian President Morsi, of the Islamic Brotherhood. You know, the guy who asked us to release all those who blew up the WTC the first time. The guy who didn't protect the US embassy in Cairo last week. That guy.
And of course, being the darling of the media, you hardly heard mention of him snubbing Netanyahu. Had a Republican president done it, why it would be the lead story.
The simple fact is the budget today is 40% higher than it was in 2007. And what exactly is Obamacare, if not another major new govt program? He's even got the govt paying for radio ads to encourage more people to sign up for food stamps.
How would you know what I was thinking? For the record, I would not limit the list to the above.
No, the argument is very much against socialism. I don't want the USA to become like those socialist countries.
Good. Let them stay there and we will all be happy. If all those countries are so smart and successful with their socialism, why is it that the USA is the only super power and has to do all the heavy lifting each and every time the world has a crisis. Those piss ants could not even handle Libya without the USA.
The other thing that gets me is that whenever they find something that isn't right in the world, the immediate answer is that some new law, some new regulation, some new govt program is the solution. Meanwhile govt screws up half of what they try to do, has huge waste and inefficiency. Congress has an approval rating of 13% and these fools turn to them to pass something like Obamacare. As if the clowns in Congress could even begin to understand such a complex problem and formulate a correct solution.
There isn't even a government *option* in the Affordable Care Act. How can you say it's a government program/takeover?
Perce
I never said it was a takeover, just yet another big govt program. The latest CBO estimates are that the spending on new programs under Obamacare will be $1.4tril over ten years. I hope that is sufficient to meet your qualifications of yet another big govt program.
Congress has an approval rating of 13%. Why on earth would anyone want them to do more? Do you really think those buffoons have a clue about something as complex as healthcare and insurance? What the real problems are? How to fix it? They just glommed together a pile of crap and passed it. The results will only be seen years from now. When it's too late.
Don't worry. Most people don't like to live in a country becoming a toilet like the USA is.
You did a real nice job with Iraq you idiot.
And you're getting your ass handed to you in Afghanistan.
Yes, because Libya was threatening the world with catastrophe and destruction, and only the USA could bring down Gaddafi and by so doing insure that Libya would descend into the same islamic chaos that you visited upon Iraq.
The USA is the 300 lb retarded kid on the playground of planet earth. All muscles and no brains.
And here we have clear evidence of Brave-New-World-speak. War is peace Hate is love Expansion is reduction
YO ! MORON ! Just the administration increase from Obamacare outranks ANYTHING else that MAY have been reduced in your fantasy
Considering that socialism is a creeping cancer of increased government involvement and control of every day life The natural progression is toward dictatorship
And compared to the US, they are in far WORSE shape thanks to all that creeping socialism that has left them flat broke and I debt to their necks. So no it's NOT about dictatorships It's about socialism driving countries into the ground because less and less people produce to pay for all those who don't A very apt saying from Communist Russia was "They pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work" Think about why that was so true.
How nice And yet the US is still the TOP destination for immigrants (legal or not) who want to improve their lot Why do you think those MILLIONS trump your few alleged friends ?
Another stupid factoid example. YO ! DUMMY ! What do you think a municipal government is about and for ?? Street lamps in the appropriate places is one of them This has NOTHING to do with socialism
So many right-wingers are so much smarter than pompous pinky nincompoops likes you, who need stupid presumptions to justify your belief that you are so much smarter than most anyone else. I'll point out that in the US, it's the so-called conservatives who pay most of the taxes that pay for a lo of those services you are babbling about. How do we know that ? Because a great many voters who vote Democrat/liberal/progressive just happen to be on the left side of the earnings bell curve. That's also why the Democrat/liberal/progressive just happen to pander to them for their votes
And do tell us what drove Hollister into bankruptcy ?
Too bad you keep leaving out the 2nd part of that saying
NOPE You're playing word games By that oh so broad definition ANYTIME ANY 2 people get together cooperatively - it's "socialism" TOTAL BULLSHIT
Or MORE CORRECTLY< they were actually regulated out of service by governments which imposed more stringent and expensive requirements on such volunteer services to the point where it was more trouble than it was worth doing.
And ? I think that's a far model for ALL people Why should anyone pay for the services of those too lazy to provide for themselves ?
Thank you. A dictator responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, including the use of chemical weapons against his own civilians is dead. Iraq has a functioning democratic govt, that despite all the hopes of guys like you, has not failed.
Perhaps. So what? If you look at our overall track record, the hundreds of millions we've freed around the world in the last century, the overall record is an exceptional one and unequalled in the world. But of course, America haters like you like to focus on the gnats ass instead of the big overall success.
Doesn't matter. The simple fact is that it was the Europeans with the big hard-on for action in Libya. But they needed the USA to do the heavy lifting. As usual. Now if those European socialist countries are so all damn smart, successful, etc, why is it they always need the good old USA?
And the rest of the world, for the most part, is the little pussy weakling that when they get into a fight, they go running to the
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The truth hurts, doesn't it...
Yep. Consider Sadaam: We invaded his country, evicted him from his homes, exiled his family, jailed his friends, confiscated his fortune, and killed his children. Eventually we got his skanky ass hanged. This HAS to have an effect on others similarily inclined.
You may be looking at Afghanistan through the wrong lens. Our goal in Afghanistan is not to win, our goal is not to lose.
Evidently it hurts too much to quote.
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=93Yep. Consider Sadaam: We invaded his country, evicted him from his homes= ,=20 exiled his family, jailed his friends, confiscated his fortune, and killed= =20 his children. Eventually we got his skanky ass hanged. This HAS to have an= =20 effect on others similarily inclined.=94
Yep sure did have an effect alright:
Made sure Iran got to develop nuclear bombs. Made sure that any other dictator that wants to stay in power damn well better develop nuclear bombs from now on.=20 Made sure all the freeloading countries can continue to mooch off the US mi= litary and taxpayers to protect them.=20
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=93You may be looking at Afghanistan through the wrong lens. Our goal in=20 Afghanistan is not to win, our goal is not to lose.=94
I guess you don=92t consider 2123 American lives in Afghanistan and 4486 lives in Iraq so far a loss. I bet you would be looking at it through=20 a whole different =93lens=94 if your snot-nosed brat had to go to fight.=20 Too bad we don=92t have the draft anymore.=20
military and taxpayers to protect them.
And according to a report I saw today, 300,000 US military and ex-military personnel are suffering from PTSD.
Perce
No, I do not consider the 6,500 deaths a loss.
Our soldiers are volunteers. They joined the military knowing the risks but considered the opportunity to kill people and blow things up worth it. In that risk/reward matrix they are no different from mountain climbers, race car drivers, sky-divers, Chicago residents, and any other potentially deadly endeavor.
These folks are our warrior class. They serve for honor's sake. For duty's sake. For glory's sake.
Fully 85% of those that have served in Iraq or Afghanistan re-enlist at the earliest opportunity. The remaining fifteen percent retired, were invalided out, or married harridans.
One of the most interesting consequences of the Iraq and Afghanistan episodes is that we do not have a field commander, from sergeant to major general, that has not led men in combat. That experience will be invaluable in either our next forays or in discouraging presumptive adversaries.
To use our president's terminology, these wars were an "investment" in the future.
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