Question about disability payments

[Willard Lazybe]

My question is -> how can a great country like ours slide into the toilet like this?

What's the end-point? We're all going to be collecting social security disability payments once our unemployment payments run out?

If this keeps up, if we keep becoming disabled, then we'll be easy pickings for Russia or China if they want to invade and take us over.

Our labor participation rate is at an all-time low (63.5%). What's with that?

We used to be a great country. This is sickening...

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8,786,049: Yet Another Record for Americans Collecting Disability

(CNSNews.com) - The Social Security Administration has released new data revealing that 8,786,049 American workers are collecting federal disability insurance payments in September. That sets yet another record for the number of Americans on disability.

The 8,786,049 workers taking federal disability in September is a net increase of 18,108 from the 8,767,941 workers who took federal disability in August.

Over the past 45 years, the number of American workers taking federal disability payments has increased four-fold relative to the number actually working.

In August 1967, 74,767,000 Americans were working (according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics) and 1,152,861 were taking federal disability insurance (according to the Social Security Administration). That means that at that time there were about 65 Americans working for each worker collecting disability.

In August 2012, 142,101,000 Americans were working and 8,767,941 were on disability--meaning there were only 16.2 people working for each person collecting disability.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), a record 88,921,000 Americans were ?not in the labor force? in August. These were Americans who were at least 16 years old, who were not in the military or in an institution such as a prison or a nursing home, and who did not have a job and had not actively sought one in the last four weeks.

Also in August, according to the BLS, only 63.5 percent of the civilian population (those over 16, who were not in the military or in an institution) participated in the labor force. That was the lowest level of labor force participation in 31 years. To participate in the labor force a person must either have a job or at least be actively trying to find one.

[recyclebinned]

We went through this topic already:

$20nation/alt.home.repair/s0rjYV7lHx0/fGXzljDSqPkJ and this is what I wrote then:

It used to be that when you got a job with a company (and I don't necessarily mean a unionized company) it meant that you had a job for the rest of your life because there was a concept called loyalty, which meant that you would be loyal to your company and your company would be loyal to you with job security, pensions and benefits and in any case the more you worked in a certain job the more experience you had and that experience was appreciated because it is irreplaceable and valuable because it meant that having experienced employees dealing with clients compelled the clients to become loyal to the company in return. The owners or CEOs of companies were more concerned about their legacy and heritage to their grandchildren than they were about earning the option of retiring to Bermuda rather than Florida with a yacht rather than a boat. Somewhere along the line, for some reason, the whole process of legacy, heritage and tradition got replaced with carpe diem. The employees saw that if their company wasn't going to be concerned with the future of their employees than they weren't going to be concerned with the future of their companies so the employees took the only option open to them: Lying like their bosses and taking federal disability insurance payments. Now as citizens we are paying the outsourced and outcast company employees so that the CEOs can buy their ten room mansion instead of their five room mansions when they retire.

[George]

But was it with schizophrenic new name every hour "home guy"?

[David Kaye]

"Willard Lazybe" wrote

What do you mean, "a toilet like this"? The United States enjoys one of the highest standards of living in the world. True, there are others with higher standards, such as Germany, Australia, Canada, etc., but they're more socialist than we are.

I think you way too much attention to radio and TV talkshows and not enough to your own situation. I'd bet that your own economic and quality of life situation is probably fine, but you've likely been propagandized into thinking that it's falling apart.

Am I wrong? If so, why am I wrong?

[George T]

Romenyites are engaged in building a class warfare and resentment. One side is Americans the other side are Bankers, and Business Owners that see themselves as winners and everyone else as Leisurely welfare cheats. Romney is building a class war of ideas and resentment with his Groups as the Americans and everyone else as living off them. We paid into SS and Medicare for our working lives. It is not welfare. Disabled Veterans paid with chopped up bodies and sacrificed futures for our Country. They are not welfare. Romneyites formulated policies and laws shipping American jobs off shore and butchering the dollar. They eliminated health care, pensions, and profit sharing for Working Americans and out it in Globalists' Corporate Raiders pockets. Romenyites and their ilk rubbed their hands with glee when we gave them billions in Banking and Corporate welfare. We paid for their islands, mansions and filled their Cayman Islands sheltered and secret accounts. How about them paying their share of taxes. You thin you are one of his Constituents how many million did you give for his support of your business welfare?

[William Belazy]

What - the fact that a huge portion of your heath-care system (medicare, medicaid) is public doesn't make you some-what socialist?

Wouldn't you rather be more socialist, vs being more facist (as you are clearly becoming) ???

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Just over a week ago, we wrote of the challenge to Obama's NDAA totalitarian bill. Hope remained that Chris Hedges' view of the indefinite detention as "unforgivable, unconstitutional, and exceedingly dangerous" would bolster judgment.

However, as Russia Today reports, a lone appeals judge bowed down to the Obama administration late Monday and reauthorized the White House's ability to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or due process. On Monday, the US Justice Department asked for an emergency stay on the previous Chris Hedges'-driven order, and hours later US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Judge Raymond Lohier agreed to intervene and place a hold on the injunction. The stay will remain in effect until at least September 28, when a three-judge appeals court panel is expected to begin addressing the issue. It would appear the total fascist takeover of Amerika is drawing nearer by the day.

A lone appeals judge bowed down to the Obama administration late Monday and reauthorized the White House?s ability to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or due process. Last week, a federal judge ruled that an temporary injunction on section

1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 must be made permanent, essentially barring the White House from ever enforcing a clause in the NDAA that can let them put any US citizen behind bars indefinitely over mere allegations of terrorist associations. On Monday, the US Justice Department asked for an emergency stay on that order, and hours later US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Judge Raymond Lohier agreed to intervene and place a hold on the injunction.

The stay will remain in effect until at least September 28, when a three-judge appeals court panel is expected to begin addressing the issue On December 31, 2011, US President Barack Obama signed the NDAA into law, even though he insisted on accompanying that authorization with a statement explaining his hesitance to essentially eliminate habeas corpus for the American people.

Fear is the psychological weapon of choice for totalitarian systems of power. Make the people afraid. Get them to surrender their rights in the name of national security. And then finish off the few who aren?t afraid enough. If this law is not revoked we will be no different from any sordid military dictatorship. Its implementation will be a huge leap forward for the corporate oligarchs who plan to continue to plunder the nation and use state and military security to cow the population into submission.

[Bill]

Our opportunities were sold to to a lower bidder? What happened to minimum wage?

[George]

You are trying to have a sensible discussion with schizophrenic new name every hour "home guy"

[Atila Iskander]

What a TOTAL CROCK

Class warfare is an old, old tactic of the left, NOT the right It's actually funny to hear a pinky accuse the right of what comes naturally to the left.

Yup Nothing has changed The above goes back all the way to Marx

Rest of stupid pinky lies ignored

[Percival P. Cassidy]

If it's socialist to make sure that even the lowest-paid worker has enough to live on and that nobody has to declare bankruptcy because of outrageous medical bills, then Australia is "socialist" and has been even when it had its most right-wing governments.

It makes no sense for Americans to brag about how low their taxes are in comparison to those of many other countries (all the while bitching about how high their taxes are) when they have to pay out large sums of their net income to profit-making entities (or to empire-building "non-profit" entities) for services that are provided at no (or little) extra cost in those other countries.

Perce

[HeyBub]

The last eleven presidents, Truman thru Bush the younger, had a combined total of 38 months in which unemployment exceeded 8%. The current administration has had 43. Consecutive.

If people can't get work, they'll do whatever is necessary to put a few beans on the table.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

Does anyone know if any of the Romney sons have served their country in the military?

[Jeff]

"Atila Iskander" wrote in news:k3b66i$95k$ [e-mail]:

+1 Typical tactic of the left to accuse the right of what they are doing themselves. Not only class warfare, but also race and gender warfare.

[krw]

That's precisely the left's tactic; accuse your enemy of doing what you're

*actually* doing. Right out of the left's bible (Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals").

...with a touch of Goebbels.

[Bill]

We live in the "Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile" mentality. Little is sacred, especially ethics. We are reaping what we, as a society, have sowed. Perhaps too many lawyers and MBAs compared to folks in engineering and the hard sciences starting back in the 80's. Incentive matter--people chased the buck. Here in the midwest, kids play football and basketball like it will provide them with a future. I know of 3 kids in junior high that currently have broken arms from playing football. The "dream" is still true--work hard (at the right things) and there will most likely be a decent job ready. Sacrifice is not as popular as it might be. Of course, employers are not being as "benevolent" as they might be either--many are taking advantage of the circumstances. The above is all just my opinion as of this moment. I'm not looking for an argument! ; )

Bill

[David Kaye]

"Percival P. Cassidy" wrote

Indeed, Australia is socialist. The pure definition of socialism: "From each according to ability; to each according to need." It is not an oxymoron to say that a government that wanted to preserve a socialist state would be conservative. It's conservative because they want to preserve the status quo, even if that status quo is socialist.

[David Kaye]

"William Belazy" wrote

I have no problem with socialism since some of the most desirable places to live are socialist in part. Socialism is the mark of a civilization; unbridled capitalism is the mark of a lack of civilization.

Socialist structures benefit us all: public streetlights, public streets, public parks, public schools, public mail service, public water services, public power, public transit, public interstate freeways. Our world would be worse off without these expenditures of public money for the common good.

[David Kaye]

"George T" wrote

Regardless of who wins the presidency, my life is not going to change much. I'm wanting Obama to win because I don't want to see Obamacare disrupted. But even if he loses, there is so much inertia in government that the programs we have are not going to drastically change. I'm not particularly worried about losing much.

[Bob Barker]

If your tax dollars go to fund the military, the police departments, fire departments, ambulance and emergency services, grade-school and high-school teachers - then why can't the services provided by doctors and hospitals be seen as extensions of those services?

What makes it socialism if you have some level of gov't negotiate the fee schedules for doctors and pay them for services they provide to the public just like you do for teachers, police, military, firemen, etc?

[trader4]

Another vote bought by Obama expanding govt and pandering to those that want more entitlements.

I'm worried about losing the whole country, which we are in the process of doing. You're right about the inertia. Once you have a govt program, it's just about impossible to get rid of it. And we're spending and borrowing, rapidly approaching the crisis point. Which is exactly what Obama wants, as that will be another crisis to use as an opportunity to push more socialism, confiscate the wealth, etc. I can easily see him proposing a wealth tax, just like some of the European countries have.

That's why this election is no ordinary one. It's about whether we at least try to get back to what made America great, individual achievement, self reliance, freedom from govt, or do we go even further down the path of countries like Greece, into socialist hell.