Power Outages

Then you run into the same problem the Texas FF plants have. You run out of fuel and you are in the dark. In hurricane season I keep 50 gallons of gasoline and 125 gallons of propane. It will run me about

It was well over 10 years ago here in Delaware and I do not know what he got into as he is now deceased. He had mentioned it to me when I told him I had bought a back up generator. He was referring to large generators used by businesses.

We watched the fiasco that resulted from the California Edison de-regulation <privatization actually>

and followed them down the same damn path ! Duh. Ontario went from having historically < for decades >

the 2nd or 3rd cheapest power in all of North America - behind Quebec - .. to where we are now - 10.5 cents off peak 15 cents mid-peak 21.7 cents on peak

John T.

Nope - no natural gas here - propane for stand-by. 2 x 5 galloon gasoline cans will squeak me through a couple days or so in winter - longer in summer. And it gets used-up in the lawn mowers in summer. John T.

All of which use transfer switches to isolate the emergency generator from the grid. All of them. The only thing the EPA would be interested it would be the particulate polution from the diesel engines powering the generators. The generators have no effect on the grid.

That's right.

Comes out closer to 17 cents up here - 14 cents for the power plus distribution costs

Tri-Fuel Champion 9900 in the shed with an interlock switch. Run on gasoline ntill I run out - then propane untill THAT runs out - or just connect to the natural gas and settle for about 5500 watts which is still enough to run the furnace and light the house and keep the cable/internet/phone running - AND run the frig at least between running the furnace (which only runs about 25% of the time at -20C) Or turn the lights off and watch the 50 inch plasma TV

Let's see. The power went out in San Jose, well, never.

No rolling blackouts. No public safety power shutoffs. Two failures over 28 years due to local transformers failing, for a total of 8 hours cumulative.

California has a higher population than Texas, but yet uses less than half as much electricity.

I'll take california any day.

Is it 3600 rpm ? Noisy ? John T.

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 22:34:36 -0600, Dean L. Hoffman posted for all of us to digest...

The alternative energy whiners don't realize that it is all part of a money scheme. Look at Al Gore, that's how he got rich. First solar, then the carbon credits. I don't know who's pushing the wind turbines. They have a service life of 20 years then must be replaced. That presents a problem because the blades are too long for conventional transport to the junk yard so they have to be cut up, which is costly. If you are looking to make bird soup just go to base of one and start collecting. Never mind that one shouldn't be in possession of any of the endangered species. The blades don't discriminate.

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:51:34 -0500, Frank posted for all of us to digest...

Shocking!

I've been to Cali twice. San Fransisco and north once, south to Carmel the second time. Not sure I'd want to live there, but the visit was pleasant. Good folks. Have not been to Texas - not sure I'd enjoy it. I have 2 rednrck brothers and they are insufferable enough. Been to florida 3 or 4 times - don't really care if I never go back. Wasn'timpressed with Geirgia either - or the Carolinas. Kentucky and Tennessee weren't bad but then againI was just passing through. You can keep the Dakotas and Iowa and as the saying goes, "I spent a weekin Kansas one day" -Nebraska about the same OK not much better. Nothing but sky in Montana and Wyoming - much like Saskatchewan. And Nevada???? neh! I'd like to see Arizona and Utah some time. New Mexaco and southern Cali too. Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minesota are OK - same with PA. The northern part of NY isn't bad and Maine / Vermont but southern NY and the Virginias??? Not impressed.

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:25:27 -0500, Frank posted for all of us to digest...

Oh my gawd, check all the police stations, fire houses, municipal buildings, hospitals, grocery stores nursing homes quick.

In Sandy the NYU Langone generator got flooded out because it was installed below ground level. Oops

We are around 11 cents a KWH bottom line and my bill cruises $190-$210 average. When the A/C is off it is less of course but I am pumping water out of the ground, have a pool and a spa, the house is all electric.

My 5.5kw burns 0.5 GPH gasoline and 0.8 GPH propane. 10 gallons of gas would not make it a day. I need to be able to start 2 well pumps and keep the fridges going at least. With no central A/C, I also want to keep the pool blue. We swap that for the bedroom A/C at night. The general lighting load is insignificant after that.

You don't suppose climate has anything to do with that do you? How many days do you run the heat or the A/C and how much does it run? Do you have city water or a well? Lots of things change your energy profile.

No, it doesn't. The climate in california is quite varied, much like Texas. California gets a lot more snow than Texas.

Have you been in the central or san joaquin valley in the summer? Fresno averages 100 for much of late summer.

California also has made a concerted effort to reduce energy use for the last several decades (efficiency, et alia), successfully.

My brother was in San Diego area. Nice to visit, never wanted to move there. A week or two at a time was nice. Good weather.

Which Florida? It is about 1100 miles long and varies considerably in climate, people, landscape. I like my west coast area but would not go to others.

Only spent time in resort areas of Georgia but my sister lives in NC. Not bad where she is, but have only spent a few days at a time.

Yep, I'd just keep passing through

Nothing but sky in Montana and Wyoming - much like

Nice to see, no desire to stay long.

New Mexaco and southern Cali too. Michigan, Wisconsin, and

PA was good

The northern part of NY isn't bad and

Pretty much agree.