Pool heat pump - How many BTUs?

May 23, 2013 75 Replies

puts out 112,000 BTUs (40 amps/5.8 KW).  I'm thinking that a larger unit that puts out 141,000 BTUs (50 amps/6.4KW), would heat the pool quicker and require less time on, thus use, in theory, less electricity - but it's about $500 more expensive than the small

how long it will take to break even on this with running it for only a couple days per week.

skewed?  Is it worth the extra cost?

Oh, things like electric ovens, air conditioners (or heat pumps), electric water heaters, clothes dryers. Any number of things that makes life comfortable, which you Brits obviously haven't heard of.

Like I said in another post, I have two 150s (72kW). In my other house it's only a single 200A (48kW) entrance.

puts out 112,000 BTUs (40 amps/5.8 KW).  I'm thinking that a larger unit that puts out 141,000 BTUs (50 amps/6.4KW), would heat the pool quicker and require less time on, thus use, in theory, less electricity - but it's about $500 more expensive than the small

how long it will take to break even on this with running it for only a couple days per week.

skewed?  Is it worth the extra cost?

Perhaps because the evaporator doesn't get cold enough? You do know that outdoor pools are used during the summer? Speaking of dolt!

piCal) puts out 112,000 BTUs (40 amps/5.8 KW). I'm thinking that a larger u nit that puts out 141,000 BTUs (50 amps/6.4KW), would heat the pool quicker and require less time on, thus use, in theory, less electricity - but it's about $500 more expensive than the small

re how long it will take to break even on this with running it for only a c ouple days per week.

nking skewed? Is it worth the extra cost?

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Yeah, an evaporator on a pool heat pump freezing up is about as dumb as dumb gets. You have to love the strawman about Alaska. The OP is talking about using a heat pump for a pool in Florida and harry turns it into Alaska. Good grief! No one claimed a heat pump was a viable solution for Alaska.

11 WK spa heater, 15KW of residential heat, 5.5kw water heater, 8kw range, 4.8 kw electric dryer and then you have your other loads.

It adds up pretty fast.

Harry lives in England He is not sure what summer is. That is why so many of his countrymen come here to Florida ;-)

iCal) puts out 112,000 BTUs (40 amps/5.8 KW).  I'm thinking that a larger unit that puts out 141,000 BTUs (50 amps/6.4KW), would heat the pool quick er and require less time on, thus use, in theory, less electricity - but it 's about $500 more expensive than the small

ot sure how long it will take to break even on this with running it for onl y a couple days per week.

hinking skewed?  Is it worth the extra cost?

23kW is only ~80 btu/hr ..... not much of a pool heater. :(

opiCal) puts out 112,000 BTUs (40 amps/5.8 KW).  I'm thinking that a larg er unit that puts out 141,000 BTUs (50 amps/6.4KW), would heat the pool qui cker and require less time on, thus use, in theory, less electricity - but it's about $500 more expensive than the small

 Not sure how long it will take to break even on this with running it for only a couple days per week.

thinking skewed?  Is it worth the extra cost?

No one uses resistance electric to heat a pool. The discussion was about using a heat pump. A heat pump should have about 4X+ heat output compared to electicity used. So, using those numbers, you'd be getting 320K+ btus.

piCal) puts out 112,000 BTUs (40 amps/5.8 KW). I'm thinking that a larger u nit that puts out 141,000 BTUs (50 amps/6.4KW), would heat the pool quicker and require less time on, thus use, in theory, less electricity - but it's about $500 more expensive than the small

re how long it will take to break even on this with running it for only a c ouple days per week.

nking skewed? Is it worth the extra cost?

You never heard of diversity factor? If you had 20Kw of electrical appliances turned on the house would be uninhabitable in a couple of hours.

piCal) puts out 112,000 BTUs (40 amps/5.8 KW). I'm thinking that a larger u nit that puts out 141,000 BTUs (50 amps/6.4KW), would heat the pool quicker and require less time on, thus use, in theory, less electricity - but it's about $500 more expensive than the small

re how long it will take to break even on this with running it for only a c ouple days per week.

nking skewed? Is it worth the extra cost?

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IIt's down to air temperature and humidity and the temperature of the refrigerant gases.

We have gas for all heating loads in 99% of homes. All of the above would be gas fired here.

No-one uses electricity for heating unless there is absolutely no other option. And then is would be night time electricity on a cheaper rate. Even then it would be more expensive than gas.

If you are going to have a high coefficient of performance, the evaporator will need to get cold.

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The outdoor section on some units may 'frost up' when there is sufficient moisture in the air and outdoor temperature is between 0°C and 5°C (32°F to 41°F)[citation needed]. This restricts air flow across the outdoor coil. These units employ a defrost cycle where the system switches temporarily to 'cooling' mode to move heat from the home to the outdoor coil to melt the ice. This requires the supplementary heater (resistance electric or gas) to activate. The defrost cycle reduces the efficiency of the heat pump significantly, although the newer (demand) systems are more intelligent and need to defrost less. As temperatures drop below freezing the tendency for frosting of the outdoor section decreases due to reduced humidity in the air.

opiCal) puts out 112,000 BTUs (40 amps/5.8 KW).  I'm thinking that a larg er unit that puts out 141,000 BTUs (50 amps/6.4KW), would heat the pool qui cker and require less time on, thus use, in theory, less electricity - but it's about $500 more expensive than the small

 Not sure how long it will take to break even on this with running it for only a couple days per week.

thinking skewed?  Is it worth the extra cost?

23Kw is 80,000 btu/hr approx. (3412 btu = I Kwh) Times say four for a heat pump in ideal conditions.

But anyway the home heating (gas) boiler is usually used over here.

What you have or don't have has no impact on what the rest of the world, like the USA. You already told us that England is soscrewed up that you can't get more than a 100A service unless you go to three phase. Not that I'm buying that, but if it's true, it really is a screwy place indeed.

Yawn.... The same tired canard. "Electricity" for heating implies ordinary resistance heating. "Heat pumps" are what is being discussed here.

You really are the village idiot. You're own source above talks about icing up when the outside air is 32 to 41F. We're talking about a pool in FLORIDA. You really think people in FL are going to heat a pool on the rare occasions that it's in the 30s outside so that this is a real issue? Even in more northern climates, very few people heat pools when it's in the 30s and those that choose to, simply wouldn't use a heat pump anyway because it's not intended for, practical, good at those applications. Good grief!

If it is 5c, ain't nobody getting in the pool ... unless they are from Canada. Then they say "Toasty eh" Florida are inside wearing a parka.

In real life it gets below 40 here one or two days every 2 years.

I have resistive electric heat and I doubt it has run 100 hours in the

30 years I have lived in this house. It was not on this year at all. That is hardly worth putting in any other kind of heat.

TropiCal) puts out 112,000 BTUs (40 amps/5.8 KW). I'm thinking that a larger unit that puts out 141,000 BTUs (50 amps/6.4KW), would heat the pool quicker and require less time on, thus use, in theory, less electricity - but it's about $500 more expensive than the small

how long it will take to break even on this with running it for only a couple days per week.

thinking skewed? Is it worth the extra cost?

Sounds like a leftist plot.

Yet you ask why someone would need more than 100A. Moron!

Idiot. Much of the year, if my "20kW electrical appliances" *AREN'T* turned on, the house would be uninhabitable in a couple of hours.

TropiCal) puts out 112,000 BTUs (40 amps/5.8 KW). I'm thinking that a larger unit that puts out 141,000 BTUs (50 amps/6.4KW), would heat the pool quicker and require less time on, thus use, in theory, less electricity - but it's about $500 more expensive than the small

how long it will take to break even on this with running it for only a couple days per week.

thinking skewed? Is it worth the extra cost?

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Idiot! Who is swimming when the air temperature is near freezing? You probably would; no brain = no pain.

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BTW here is the electric bill for a small commercial pool with a 7.5 ton heat pump.

date...........................days..........KWH.....

05/07/2013 32 2776 $275.92 Electric Bill 04/05/2013 29 3634 $358.36 Electric Bill 03/07/2013 28 3906 $384.64 Electric Bill 02/07/2013 30 4562 $442.98 Electric Bill 01/08/2013 32 4645 $450.90 Electric Bill 12/07/2012 30 4210 $428.26 Electric Bill 11/07/2012 30 4117 $418.96 Electric Bill 10/08/2012 31 2637 $270.97 Electric Bill 09/07/2012 31 1793 $186.52 Electric Bill 08/07/2012 29 1672 $174.41 Electric Bill 07/09/2012 32 1847 $191.92 Electric Bill 06/07/2012 31 2205 $228.44 Electric Bill 05/07/2012 31 3693 $377.66 Electric Bill 04/06/2012 30 2803 $287.19 Electric Bill 03/07/2012 29 3877 $394.43 Electric Bill 02/07/2012 29 4746 $481.20 Electric Bill 01/09/2012 33 4771 $483.70 Electric Bill 12/07/2011 30 4098 $433.17 Electric Bill 11/07/2011 31 4124 $435.87 Electric Bill 10/07/2011 29 1711 $185.12 Electric Bill 09/08/2011 34 2021 $217.31 Electric Bill 08/05/2011 28 1670 $180.97 Electric Bill 07/08/2011 31 1838 $198.44 Electric Bill 06/07/2011 32 1897 $204.57 Electric Bill

puts out 112,000 BTUs (40 amps/5.8 KW). I'm thinking that a larger unit that puts out 141,000 BTUs (50 amps/6.4KW), would heat the pool quicker and require less time on, thus use, in theory, less electricity - but it's about $500 more expensive than the small

long it will take to break even on this with running it for only a couple days per week.

skewed? Is it worth the extra cost?

location. location. location.

i have an 8kw ceramics kiln, and 10.5 tons of a/c on my house. they frequently are all on at the same time, and my wife can still turn on the stove. i can't imagine being limited to 100a in today's day and age, and would never buy a house that didn't have at least 200a. my next house will probably have at least 300a.

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