OT. Gas Pricing

Now with electronic signs they can change price on a whim. I recall a station I would pass changing as much as 10 cents more in a couple of hours after I first passed it.

What's your definition of "wealthy"?

And I doubt that anyone who has advocated the sterilization of welfare recipients (as I have) can truly be called "a lib".

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 15 May 2021 02:17:13 -0700 (PDT), snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com posted for all of us to digest...

I thought that I was the only one that had that sensor embedded...

Mine also works on traffic lights. It ALWAYS turns them red for me.

I love the lights that only turn if they sense someone at the stop line. Someone in a SUV, that is, not on a bike.

All conversions in place the Shell station arounf the corner is $US

On Sat, 15 May 2021 17:30:12 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...

Understood, PA is like that. I used to try to get on the loop if a bike was in front of me so it would trip.

The area I live in is getting rid of the loops in favor of cameras that detect objects in the field of vision. It senses bikes fine. It does not record plates or drivers faces for enforcement. Also sonar is used to detect traffic movement, we want people to get out of here as quickly as possible... The state also requires us to have traffic preemption devices to give priority to emergency vehicles. Turns all lights red except for the EV which is green. The cost of traffic signals is about $100k depending on the posts. Then you have maintenance. When the power goes out the fire co. has to haul out generators to power the lights otherwise the fire police are out there in all kinds of weather forever. Drivers don't know they are supposed to stop for a broken light.

That is for each individual light, not the whole intersection. They are paying about a million bucks for a "light" here at the entrance of Lowes.

I have never seen that here or in Maryland. They may put a cop there but usually it is just a free for all

They does have the preemption devices. The one that drives me crazy is an intersection I go through almost every day. If I go straight I have to make a left turn. If I stay in the left turn lane I make a right turn to get to the same place which is more efficient.

The straight ahead signal changes first. Sometimes the left turn signal changes at the same time. Sometimes it's a minute or more. Damned if I ever figured out the logic.

On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:15:27 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com posted for all of us to digest...

Yes, I misstated the cost, I stand corrected.

On Mon, 17 May 2021 21:22:41 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...

It depends when you trigger the signal. I know the light near me does the same thing. The state determines the timing, they have eng-inears to figure it all out...

Lee County has a traffic control computer system that regulates all the lights at major intersections and it works surprisingly well. Most of the time you can go 8-10 miles on US 41 past dozens of lights and never see a red.

Yeah, we got some of those too. They're big on 'traffic calming' rotaries and bulb-outs. The cute little miniature rotaries are fun on a motorcycle. If you're on a bicycle the bulb-out force you out into the traffic lane. Great thinking.

One of the main drags is a challenge. The homeless shelter is on the north side of the street and a microbrewery directly across the street on the south side. After a homeless citizen got launched to Mars, they redid it from 4 lanes to 2 and put in two crosswalks with lights.

Not really understanding humans, both crosswalks are a couple of hundred yards from the bee-line path.

Oh well, the mayor is a Democrat so I imagine he's good at sucking down federal funding.

Our small town that is about 15 blocks long on main street has the lights set so that almost no matter what you do, you get stopped at every other light. Reason the town gave was so you could (have to ) look at the stores and their display windows.

The speed limit on US41 is 50 so they really don't want you looking at windows and the stores are usually behind a row of trees anyway. They try to make you forget there are stores back there. They also have rules than make the signs small and somewhat hidden. It is tough if you don't know where you are going.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 21:03:57 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com posted for all of us to digest...

Around here they are connected with fiber. Programmed for "rush hour" conditions. They are now confused because there is no rush hour here. But traffic is increasing and they are adaptable so I suppose flow will improve. The trouble with PA is the many of the side streets with short stretches between the main artery's mess things up. Old single lane roads with no turn lanes, etc. I am in country bumpkin country with literally cow paths converted in major roads that do not allow improvement because houses are abutting the road. The cops can see the images from the cameras and monitor the traffic, but who has time for that? They are better things to do than traffic tickets.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 20:13:36 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...

Typical gov't reaction. PA is going the route of roundabouts. The only problem is they have to purchase the real estate - which in this state can be a business.

I personally like roundabouts because I despise traffic signals. I wish the dufus drivers would learn that one does not have to stop to enter, if nobodies there. I have a long list of complaints which other posters don't want to hear about.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 23:16:13 -0400, Ralph Mowery posted for all of us to digest...

f'n a. Thats BS. It for revenue to slow one down. Get rid of those jackholes and get somebody in there to expand their thinking.

Going from Philly to the Jersey shore there were a few big roundabouts (circles) and in the 1970s they got rid of them to make traffic flow better. I guess what is old is new again.

Roundabouts are great until the traffic overloads them, then you get lights on the roundabout. DC is full of them and the big ones ended up getting tunnels under them. They all have lights.