Businesses know there is a normal distribution of customers and will
sell to all of them. Some folks just want gas and some will buy that $3
bottle of water. They already have the sunk cost of the
pumps/tanks/equipment plus other expenses. So your money is just as good
even if you only buy fuel.
When it was the norm to pay after filling the tank, sure, get 'em in the
store. However, drive-offs killed that. I don't think many would be happy
waiting in line twice to pay (fillups still piss me off when the network is
Also note that the business that owns the pumps and the gas is usually
different than the one that owns the slurpees. The EPA saw to that.
On Sep 18, 11:24 am, " firstname.lastname@example.org"
But that's what started the thread. To fill-up using cash - to get the
discount - you often have to wait in line twice.
Wait in line...give 'em $75...pump $65...wait in line...get your $10
In addition, some of the cheaper stations don't have pay at the pump
even if they don't offer cash discounts.
Wait in line...hand them a card, "Fillling up on pump 3"...pump
$65...wait in line..."Please enter your pin number"..."Thanks have a
For me, it oftens depends on a combination of 2 things:
1 - How much of a hurry I am In.
2- How much gas I need.
Last weekend I drove 700 miles round trip to my dad's. Since gas stops
were for full tanks, I was willing to put up with the inconvenience of
going inside to save as much as possible. If I'm in a hurry or I need
to top off for some reason, I'll pay the higher cost for the speed and
convenience of paying at the pump.
Note: My logic doesn't need to make sense to the rest of the
world...it works for me.
Right, but my bet is that few actually pay cash (and stand in line twice).
I haven't seen a station without pay-at-the-pump here in many years. Sometimes
the pump is broken, though.
As I said in another post in the thread, I've found that the places with cash
discounts aren't the cheapest anyway. I avoid them at all costs.
Sure. I don't like guessing at how much cash I need to leave (with the
possibly a third time in line) with the minimum wage moron at the counter. I'd
rather owe it to them than have to beat it out of them. ;-)
On Sep 18, 11:56 am, " email@example.com"
They still exist. The cheapest gas available near my dad's house
doesn't take cards at the pump, but they don't offer a cash discount
either. Their price is alway .02 - .03 cheaper than anyone else
around, even without a cash discount.
That's what the Gas Buddy app on my smart phone is for. I sort by
price then see how far it is from where I am or am going and balance
the 2 pieces of information. The thing is, many times the cheapest
price listed by the app is the cash price but you don't know that
until you get to the station. That's why I now need to carry cash if I
want to get the discount.
So hundreds (thousands?) of gas stations across the country all "have their
backs up" and are willing to lose money by giving cash discounts?
Are they all really that bad at running a business or are they all forced
to lose money because one or two have chosen to and the rest have to in
order to get the business?
Lots of owner-operated businesses (gas stations, corner stores, etc)
will show two prices for the stuff they sell - one for cash and one for
When it costs you 3 to 5 cents to process every $1 worth of credit-card
sales, you do come out ahead when you offer 2 or 3 cents per dollar
cheaper price for a cash sale.
That, and without a paper trail for a cash sale, you can cook the books
for income tax purposes.
Something you're not hearing much about in the MSM is that the
underground economy is huge and getting bigger. When the "official"
unemployment number goes from 8.3% to 8.1% because a few hundred
thousand people drop out of the job markets and the participation-rate
goes down - where do you think those people are going? They're going to
the underground economy.
The primary reason why the US gov't is taking internet monitoring and
data mining to a whole new expensive level is to look for tax cheats.
Let no dollar of income go untaxed.
You'll pay for your stupid "wars" - one way or another.
There's no paper trail, really? IRS and state revenuers have ways of
estimating sales based on information they receive from third parties
during an investigation, such as electricity usage. In the case of a
gas station, they'll check if the station owner's record of supplied
gasoline matches his supplier's records. It's easy to assess under-deposited
excise taxes, like state and federal motor fuel taxes and state sales tax.
Some folks are pretty naive. In my state the state revenue folks are the
most aggressive but all they need to do is say subpoena the supplier
records and estimate sales and if they can't get records for some reason
they will do stuff like watch the business operation and estimate sales.
Then they demand the money. If you were playing games you have no leg to
Especially in the case of gas or other taxable liquid fuels you would
have to be a total moron to play games because all wholesale
transactions are completely documented.
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:38:17 -0700 (PDT), firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It was never "illegal". There was wording in the contract stating that the
merchant couldn't surcharge for plastic but they could give a discount for
paper. AIUI, the whole issue was tossed in the Visa/MC price-fixing suit
On Sep 17, 1:49 pm, " email@example.com"
In 10 states it is prohibited by law for retailers to charge consumers
a fee for using a credit card (California, Colorado, Connecticut,
Florida, Kansas, Maine, Massachusetts, New York, Oklahoma and Texas).
Not any more.
"The agreement, which provides for a temporary reduction in rates for
merchants and allows them to impose surcharges on customer purchases,
follows a seven-year legal battle with U.S. retailers that accused the two
largest payment networks of conspiring with banks to fix swipe fees, or
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