(OT) Car coolant question

Actually, CL who just claimed he had me kill-filed, just replied to one of my posts. If he can't figure out how to do it, I seriously doubt you can.

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trader4
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My experience is different. A mechanical pump stranded me by failing without warning. I replaced 2 electric in-tank pumps after they gave fair warning by hard starting or fuel starvation at speed. I don't like in-tank pumps because they're expensive as hell and PITA to change. A couple hours even if it goes smoothly versus 10 minutes for a mech pump. Just my experience. If your'e on a farm, you should have a chain to pull that car where you want. Hell, I kept one in my F-100 in Chicago, and pulled cars with it.

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Vic Smith

i recently did my 96 vette fuel pump. pull the gas cap, a rubber shroud, and the top of the tank is right there. 6 bolts, pull up on a steel rod, and it's in your hand. 10 minutes tops. of course, it did strand me 150 miles from home, so that was a pain.

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chaniarts

That's a handy design. I was busy with work so had my mechanic replace the one on my '88 Celebrity. 2.8. It did strand me briefly. Had to let the pump cool off. It ran fine about 15 miles to the mech. He couldn't believe I got there because it was only putting out 2-3 psi. Tank had to be dropped. Think it cost me $4-5 bills. My daughter's '93 Grand Am 3.3 would stall with the tank less than 1/4 full when the gas sloshed. I did that myself. About 3 hours work, no lift, but the pump was about $250. Just put a new tank in my '97 Lumina because it was holed with rust. About 3 hours, no lift. Put the old pump back in with a new sock. The pump is near $300 so I'm not about to replace it when it's working fine. Some vehicles, like your Vette, have access to the pump with just a little work. Most you have to drop the tank. The tank in the Grand Am and Lumina don't even sit under the trunk, as you might think because of filler location. They're strapped up under the rear seat.

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Vic Smith

First off, I didn't say I would. Second, you're beginning to sound like an idiot who deserves it. Third, with my reader, I found kill files not as good as I had hoped years ago.

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Doug

Hard Blok engine filler from Summit Racing is one.

Moroso makes one as well - and then there is GE Blockguard.

Hard Blok appears to be an iron filled epoxy (at least it is a 2 component product)

Like I said before, it is called a Northstar -and it's a lot more complex than just shutting off 4 cyls for limp home.

A second fuel pump is just twice as much to go wrong.

They could also leak gasoline all over the engine and start a fire, pump all of the oil out of the crankcase, blowing the engine, or pump half a tank of gasoline into the crankcase - also blowing the engine.

They could vapour lock (and often did) and the valves could stick, causing the pump to stop pumping and the engine to stop. They failed a LOT more often than today's electrics. The average car in the sixties and seventies went through 2 or 3 pumps, minimum, in their lifespan, and only a SMALL fraction exceeded 100,000 miles before ending up in the scrapyard. Go back to the forties, and pump rebuilds were required every 2 years or so.

Even more imprssive is how long an engine will often run with NO OIL and NO COOLANT in some of the "engine blow competitions" held at car shows etc. A few years ago one went over 27 minutes, at full throttle, before it stopped. Half an hour later, one crank and away it went again.

My old Pontiac TranSport 3.8 dumped all of it's antifreeze on the road before I bought it. It ran untill it seized (about 20 miles). I bought it - knowing it needed an engine - and it started and ran quietly but with high emissions that would never pass - No blown head gasket, or damaged bearings. Either rings or valve seals had definitely failed.

I put in a rebuilt that only lasted about 60,000 miles (just under

100,000km)
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clare

How about aircraft????

Nope - usually crappy aluminum aloys

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clare

It's ok to move your car around without coolant. Not for 5 minutes though. But you shouldn't need that long. Get everything out of the way, start the car, move it immediately, shut it off. You'll be fine.

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jamesgang

I agree with you. For instance I called for a concrete delivery and the guy wouldn't accept "enough for a sidewalk" and actually insisted on how much I wanted. Then he asked me when I wanted it and he would not accept "next week". I just can't understand it...

Words mean something. Especially when the only form of communication being used is words. Clearly none of us can see or know the OPs situation so the only thing to go with is what was conveyed.

Five minutes is a long time so the only reasonable assumption is that that time was chosen for a reason. I pictured maybe he needs to start the car and back down a long driveway, wait for traffic and then pull into another driveway or a space across the street maybe doing some more maneuvering along the way.

If the OP had said say "30 seconds" then a reasonable person might assume a simple back out of a space and off the edge of the driveway or something similar operation.

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George

I just tossed out an approximate number. It's been moved, took me just seconds over 2.5 minutes. Everything is fine. Nothing even seemed to get hot, no steam, etc.... Was about 1/2 mile and into the garage. It was about 20deg outdoors, so it takes longer to get stuff hot.

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homeowner

Got lots of chains and a tractor to pull, but you cant pull it into a garage, and it's uphill in front of garage with no one to help push except my old body an another old guy with health problems. Yea, I could have pulled it near the garage w/chain and drivin it into the garage I suppose, but it's done and no problems. And pushing with a tractor tends to f*ck things up.

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homeowner

Deutz builds some fairly large air cooled engines for stationary use. The largest one on their site is just over 170 HP. One for mobile machinery use is rated at 322 HP. I didn't check to see if that's maximum or continuous. They used to sell Deutz engines for irrigation use at my workplace years ago. One of the advantages is the engines could run hotter and be more fuel efficient. Wisconsin used to build air cooled gasoline engines. Minneapolis-Moline used them on their combines. Also long ago.

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Dean Hoffman

Nor did he say you would, just that he doubts you can.

Go fer it. Don't like the heat... It is pretty dumb to announce it and even worse to announce it then obviously not follow through (Trader's point).

Seems Trader was right all along.

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krw

Just looking to get into another war on words I guess. If it makes you feel happy, sure I'm wrong and you're right. Hopefully that will SHUT you up for now.

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Doug

With you? You always come disarmed. Where's the fun in that?

Of course I'm right but not because I'm smart, rather you're so damned dumb.

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krw

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Doug

The severely retarded usually just smile when someone tells them the truth.

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krw

I guess you speak from experience. Hope you took your meds lately.

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Doug

Then how do they hold up?

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homeowner

Thats weird how something like that would help cool.

True, but at least there is a backup.

I never seen that happen, but I suppose it could. I did have one dripping gas once. However I heard from a mechanic that he actually witnesses a car explode from a shorted in tank fuel pump. He said this dont happen often, but has happened quite a few times. I personally dont like the idea of having an electric wire inside a tank of explosive gas. One spark is all it takes.

I have had vapor lock on older cars nore than once. I still have a car with a mechanical fuel pump and carb. Well over 200,000 miles. I have never changed the FP. So those forties cars needed their FP changed about as often as these new in tank ones. Seems everyone I know is always changing them. Ive done my share too.

Thats amazing!

I once got a laen mower where the piston was welded to the cylinder. I took a block of wood an hammer and pounded down the piston. Cyl was all grooved up, but it started and ran, just kind of smoky, but I used it for several years after that.

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homeowner

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