Here's link to yet another article explaining the downside of the so-
called "anti-bacterial" soaps,
especially for our children and other vulnerable family members.
We're folks who work with our hands (as well as our brains!)
On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 12:49:04 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
These are actually anti-microbial soaps since the biocides contained
within target non-specific kinds of biological organism and cells.
In a nutshell Triclosan and Triclocarban kill good and bad things
without discretion. Not so good in the real world and not real good
for bacteria that can become much more resistant to antibiotics after
exposure to these chemical agents.
How does exposure to these two chemicals cause bacteria to become
resistant to unrelated ones such as antibiotics?
Heck, an antibiotic only makes bacteria resistant to that antibiotic and
maybe relatives of that antibiotic.
(Not that this negates *other* arguments against specific antimicrobial
- Don Klipstein ( email@example.com)
As it was explained to me... if you use anti-bacterial soap on a regular
basis, you deprive your immune system from building it self up on a
daily basis learning to kill small amounts of various easy to kill
germs,virus... So instead of having an army of many antibodies ready to
fight things off, your immune system is small and weak and has nothing
to fight with so it has to try to build itself up for when you are
already sick from being exposed to a higher dose of those germs/virus'.
Antibiotics can make bacteria resistant to other antibiotics also,
especially when so many of the antibiotics are closely related. First,
once again you deprive your bodies immune system from doing it's job and
building itself up, so you are more susceptible to the same germ/virus
in the future. Second, if your dose of antibiotics only killed 99.9 %
of the illness, you leave the strongest 0.1%, to multiply. It's a fast
type of evolution. Worst when people "feel better" but don't finish
taking the prescription antibiotic as prescribed. Survival of the
fittest. Unless you are so week that a simple virus is life
threatening, the best thing is to avoid the antibiotics and let your
immune system do its job which also makes it stronger. Save the
antibiotics for when you are dangerously ill.
That's why good old fashioned soap is your best long term bet.
Unless you're in the heath care field where you have to hand wash many
times per day.
Then the alcohol based sanitizers make more sense.
I banned anti-bacterial ( "Triclosan and Triclocarban" based) soaps
from my household YEARS ago.
But its an uphill battle...........the stuff is in all sorts of
products, even dish washing (not dishwasher) detergents. :(
And they're used in just about every home I visit.
SoftSoap makes some "non anti-bacterial" soaps but you've got to look.
On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 12:49:04 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
Love the handle! <g> Maiden voyage of the LHC recently. It's an
exciting time to be into physics.
Anyway, in bio labs, the way you breed stronger strains of bacteria is
to kill off -almost- all of them. The remaining strong ones will
multiply to fill the void. Then repeat the cycle. That's the same
thing that many antimicrobials are doing now.
For disinfecting your hands, the best thing may be regular 70% rubbing
alcohol (ethyl or isopropyl). The 30% water content actually makes it
more efficient, in that it 'hydrates' some spore-like organisms that
respond to water, then the alcohol can get to them.
For anything nastier (possible MRSA, etc), use bleach. But that's
really not good for long-term contact with skin. BTW, if you do get
it on your hands, a bit of vinegar sprayed on will react and allow it
to be washed off easily.
Yeah, they finally made it, 2nd time around. Amazing how just
some faulty magnets can **** up a gazillion-euro project!
Waiting with baited breath to see if MY particle will turn up.
BTW - Just reading Steven Weinberg's latest: "Lake Views: This world
and the universe" - a collection of his essays and speeches over the
on various topics. He writes with such beautiful clarity and
that even science groupies like moi can be enlightened.
Another point on disinfecting hands: The doctor comes in, dutifully
disinfects his/her hands. Kewl. Then (if male) he adjusts his tie
(why the hell
are doctors wearing TIES on duty!!!). Male or female then picks up
GERMY clipboard, scans it, and advances on patient...
up the FILTHY clipboard,
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:47:24 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
When I was a kid I was pretty upset about the bandaid packaging that
read: "Sterility guaranteed unless package is opened". I could never
figure out how to put one on without opening the packaging. I always
envisioned bacteria floating on air molecules nearby saying:
"Get ready, he's going to pul lthe red string! Ready, ready, JUMP!"
and my bandaid is ruined.
No. They use a peel-apart wrapper. I imagine your brand has the same
thing. All of the bandaids I've seen in the last few (10?) years have
that kind of wrapper. Probably costs a lot less to make 'em. They're
generally easier to open, unless you've cut off the tip of your thumb.
(Don't ask me how I know that.)
I've often thought about that while watching the various CSI's and
other shows that have autopsy scenes. The guys and gals don their
gloves and then dig into a body or head. Then they take their glasses
off and pick up the phone or use the computer without ever taking off
I keep imagining how nasty those glasses and phone must be!
More of the same. The article does not claim ANY harm from using
anti-bacterial soaps, only the POSSIBILITY that their use MAY cause hormonal
disruption that, in turn, COULD cause various unknown and unnamed problems
that MIGHT be hazardous because they are SIMILAR to other chemicals that do
Sounds like Global Warming tripe.
Right. Expose yourself to infection now so that you'll be better prepared to
fight an unknown one in the indefinite future when, most likely, more
powerful bug-killers will be available anyway.
There is some merit to what you say. Mexicans are not nearly so vulnerable
to food- and water-born diseases as tourists. This is because they got
exposed to germs at an early age and developed immunities we Gringos can't
even pronounce. 'Course many of them died as toddlers, but overall the
practice seems to work.
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