It's a question of pay a little now to protect so as not to have to pay a
lot later to repair what were easily preventable problems. Boy does that
ever sound like half the problems people face with home ownership. (-:
Philly has that beat. I recall a story where an EMPTY bus on its way to the
depo crashed and close to 300 people claimed to be on board. Thank Judge
Joe Brown for helping convey the (false) notion that every mishap that
occurs anywhere in the world should be worth at least $5K to the right
well anyone who gets ill or dies in the area will sue BP for sure, and
few if any will have sympathy for the company which is likely well
BP company is a dead man walking, and since they historically ran
things on the cheap with little concern for safety their company
deserves to cease to exist
the relef wells may not work either......
meanwhile theres a hurricane coming, well first tropical; depression
of the season named alex........
which will likely pick up oil and dispersant and deposit the toxic
brew far inland, stall the relief wells and cap recovery they must be
unmanned during hurricane..
and get the gulf waters moving spreading the oil into the loop current
and around florida and up the east coast beaches.....
US government is a FAILURE at keeping its citizens safe
Yeah, *real* conservatives do. Those like George Will & couple more
who I can't remember. But the whining, hyperbolic twits like
Limbaugh & Beck; any editorials I've seen on Fox news; and all those
who parrot their trash think with their knees. They are giving
conservatism and republicanism a *very* bad name.
Ain't bumper stickers handy to help us avoid thinking for ourselves?
Which is a play on CDS [Clinton Derangement Syndrome[ that was coined
by the right long before BDS. I agree-- It shows lack of any ability
to think logically.
Which was a play on Nixon DS. Ford and Carter got off because they
were such harmless little twits that it was hard to get mad at them, but
then it fired up again with Reagan ondown. Just part of the political
landscape that the people currently in power decry when it is invoked
against their guy, forgetting their own Incumbent-baiting when they were
on the sidelines.
Beats actually having to humanize your opponent which might mean
they see some sliver of agreement. Can't have that in this Day and Age.
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Agreed! We had better figure out how to solve some of the world's problems
rather than endlessing bitching about them and blaming "the other guys". I
pissed off all my liberal friends who were howling for the blood of
officials who were doing what the DOJ said they could do re: interrogation.
I told them the more a President looks backwards in anger, the less time he
has to look forward in hope.
The same with their bloodlust for Karl Rove, whom many liberals want to see
killed and resurrected so they can kill him again. Don't like that US
Attorneys serve "at will?" Change the bloody law. You like it enough when
your guy's holding the reins, just not when the other side holds them. Both
sides play the same sick game, over and over. It's golden when we do it,
it's criminal when you do.
It all has to stop somewhere. We're so arrogant. We believe that the US
could NEVER descend into another Civil War even as we're obviously
descending into just the same kind of polarization we experienced in the
1830's over slavery. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance - on many
fronts, not just the obvious ones.
The generations of people we've created by bringing medicine (but not the
infrastructure that needs to go with it) to third world countries are
maturing now. Who will feed them, house them and clothe them? I suspect
they'll riot, turn commie or Taliban and we'll have to go kill the very
people whose lives we saved in the first place. Seems incredibly wasteful
My view is that Limbaugh and Beck are more entertainers than anything else.
Still, Beck is the epitome of logical thinking; he has flow charts and
everything. His premise may be wrong, but his logic is impeccable - sorta
like a paranoiac.
I don't think Fox News does editorials. They DO have opinion writers and
presenters, but I've never seen an editorial in the name of the
Or to make you think.
For example, "It takes a FOOL to spell 'loofa' "
The story as I understand it is that if the flow was completely shut
off, it would cause the well to rupture at a different point. Never
expected that I would begin to understand how oil wells work...I thought
ya' just drill a big hole and yell "gusher" :o)
There's some evidence that BP used substandard piping that could indeed
rupture further down if the cap succeeds. I've read from more than one
source that at least some geologists fear that if that happens, oil could
begin coming up in places far from the well head. There's some video
evidence from some of the robot DSV's that this has already started
"In a well of questionable design with a questionable cement job that's gone
through a major explosion, too much pressure on the well could trigger a
rupture, sending oil pushing through fissures in the rock of the ocean floor
and bubbling up through the seabed, where it can't be contained. That's why
BP abruptly stopped the "top kill" efforts to seal the well May 28 after the
company previously had said the procedure would continue for a few more
days. It's also why the company is continuing with efforts to contain the
oil flowing out of the well rather than seal the well outright by adding
another blowout preventer on top of the malfunctioning one. It's also one
reason why the containment cap that's currently capturing oil has vents in
the side that allow pressure to escape."
From what I've read the problem is strong concentrations of highly
pressurized methane gas coming up with the oil. Gas seeps far more easily
than crude, and "paves" openings for the crude to come up through fissures.
The reason that haven't been able to close it off quickly is that it's a
hell of a complicated problem happening way down in the inky, cold dark
It's something I've experience doing home plumbing. Fix a leaky faucet and
the now increased pressure in the whole system forces another leak to appear
Like the collapse of the WTC, when a disaster of this magnitude occurs, we
really don't have the expertise to deal with correctly from the start, but
we do tend to do a much better job the next time. This will happen again
but with the right tools on standby and ready to roll, the results won't be
My solution for capturing the oil is to make a huge tank, like a hot air
balloon...have no idea of a flexible material that might hold oil. Said
balloon has a heavy lead or concrete ring at the base and the ring is
lowered over the pipe. "Balloon" fills with oil, rises to surface and
is captured. It can have a flexible valve, like a heart valve, to
prevent outflow. Line them up and keep filling them until the relief
wells are done.
That's not a bad idea at all. Might not be workable this time because no
one's got the giant condoms ready, but it could be a very effective solution
for the inevitable next deepwater disaster.
Didn't we learn anything when they drilled the world's deepest mine shaft on
the old B&W Superman TV show and those little bald guys came up the shaft
and starting shooting people with a raygun that took two of them to aim and
We touched on this a little in the "rat out" thread. What typically happens
to someone who complains about unsafe working conditions? Well, they don't
typically have to face them after complaining because they would be out of a
job. But what about the Whistleblower statutes? They are there to procted
such people. The truth is that they should be renamed the Whistle and Bend
Over statutes. They hardly ever work.
Friend of mine watched Titanic and commented: "At least in the
Titanic you can see where the money went on the screen. The only way you
can see it in Waterworld is if the water is all Perrier." Costner does
tend to be a little self-indulgent.
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
If no when BP goes bankrupt the auction of its assets like the alaska
oil pipeline, refernies etc will easily pay all the damages.
Hopefully BPO wouldnt go to just one oil company it should be broken
up spread around to the other companies to maintain just a bit of
the stockholders will get zip.........
Sounds like you'd like to see this bankruptcy happen? Instead of BP
surviving and using it's earnings to pay claims. Seems like a high
price to pay, particularly for the stockholders and employees just to
make some people feel good by getting revenge.
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