Hi all: Can anyone refer me to web site(s) where I can read about currently
available flush technologies? I'm replacing the toilets in my home and want
to learn about the alternatives, with particular interest in units offering
power-assisted flushing. Thanks for your replies! PE
I would suggest it is not just the flush technology.
Two of the most important parts of the equation is the trap size (larger
is better) and fully glazing the trap. You are not likely to have problems
with any toilet that has a large fully glazed trap. (Note: the trap is the
exit and in most toilets the inside has a finish like very rough sandpaper.
Fully glazed means it is as smooth as the parts you see.)
Power assist adds to efficiency, but it does not seem to be as important
these days as the designers have found other, passive, solutions that are
quieter, less complex and have fewer maintenance problems.
I would also add that quality and good construction are not really
expensive. What is far more expensive is design. If you want a fancy
looking sculpted tank, it is going to cost a ton and my be mechanically
identical to the cheapest one in the line.
More than you ever wanted to know about toilets:
The MaP report
- Maximum Performance (MaP) Testing of Popular Toilet Models
- updated every few months
- available at:
--http://www.cwwa.ca/home_e.asp (see the "What's New" section)
--http://www.cuwcc.org/products_tech.lasso (Scroll down to Map report.)
--http://veritec.ca (click on Reports)
- Reviews and reports on customer experience with various toilets and
- Links to other sites.
I'm not sure why power-assisted flushing would be needed. The two
American Standard Champions (not power assisted) we installed have never
needed to be flushed more than once.
On 11/24/05 01:45 am pe tossed the following ingredients into the
ever-growing pot of cybersoup:
At www.terrylove.com, there are numerous reports of leak problems with
the valves and seals on the American Standard Champion models. One
poster said that the Champion flushed too fast, didn't clean the bowl
well, and was very noisy. More than one poster said that they had
returned the Champion to the point of purchase. What has been your
Mine has not had a fair test as it is only three months old. Yes it
does flush with a reasonably lound "CLUNK", but it's a powerful flush
that works 99% of the time. No leaks or other problems; I like it.
Haven't read the posts at terrylove, but when I installed my Champion I was
unable to fully tighten the tank-to-bowl bolts until I had the weight of a
full tank of water to help compress the rubber donut under the tank. Once
the tank was full, I noticed some minor drips and went back in and fully
tightened everything down. So far, so good (only one week, though...)
At the Terry Love website, some posters have complianed about problems
with the Champion valve and sealing ring even after receiving "new and
improved" parts from American Standard. Others have complained about a
too-fast, noisy flush that didn't clean the bowl well.
Are you happy with the Champions?
Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
I just bought a Champion last week to replace a big old water waster with a
cracked bowl. The Champion does flush with a single noticable "clunk", but
does an excellent job clearing the bowl. Judging by the performance and
design inside the tank, I don't think it will ever require a plunger to
clear. The "water spot" could be a bit larger, and the bowl "wash down"
could be better.
I installed a Kohler Wellworth in another bathroom a few months ago, and was
pleasantly surprised. Bigger water spot, and a "two stage" flush, i.e.,
press the handle briefly for a "light" flush, hold the handle down for a
more complete flush. A good value for about $179 (IIRC)
If I have to buy another toilet in the future, I might buy the Wellworth
instead of the Champion and save $100.
I've stayed in motels that have power assisted flush, and it was
louder than I would want all the time. In addition, I figure there's
an air compressor which in a motel was far away, but in one's home
would be within earshot. Is that true.
My brother has a lot more money than I and finally, at the age of 60
bought an expensive house, with fancy French toilets.
If I am not in perfect health, including my digestive system, so that
my bowel movements are dry as a camel's, the toilet has to be cleaned
after each use. The part at the bottom that is covered with water, is
only a little patch, as big as the top of a teacup. and I just can't
aim that well. (Actually I can't aim at all.)
I don't know if they came with the house or during a bit of
remodelling they did.
I haven't had nerve enough to discuss this with my brother,
sister-in-law, or their maid if they are unsatisfied. (I"ll bet the
Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let
me know if you have posted also.
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