My wife (and I love her) is on the heavy side, and so over a short
period of time her continued use of the johns in my house cause the
wax seals to begin leaking - from her weight I am thinking.
So - I have tried a couple of different types of wax rings, but they
all leak after a while. What else can I do?
Weight should have nothing to do with it,
unless the floor is flexing excessively.
Now, if the toilet is "rocking" because it
is poorly anchored, that is another matter.
A rocking bowl will quickly break the seal.
Here's one of several that is not wax:
The wax ring is just a seal, the toilet dead & live load are taken
through the bowl into the floor.
The bowl / flange assembly should be secure, no movement.
A useful tip (IMO) is to pour a bucket of hot water into the bowl after
installation to help the wax ring reform itself.
If the toilet flange or toilet bowl allow mot
That's a good point about the hot water.
I take an extra wax ring and heat it with
a hair dryer. Then use a putty knife to smear
softened wax around the bowl outlet "horn".
Work it into the porcelain surface so it has
good adhesion. Then stick a fresh wax ring onto
the horn and work it around to get a good seal.
Use the putty knife to apply soft wax to the flange as well.
When you drop the bowl down onto the flange, twist it back and
forth. You wind up with a seal that is close to "forever".
I was taught to do this but I used hot water out of the tap ~120 - 130F
not boiling water off a stove.
I haven't done all that many toilet re-set so maybe my experience &
techinique is more superstition & old wives' tale
Any one else have a negative experience with hot water into a toilet
btw since I'm in SoCal even our cold water isn't all that cold :)
Had a builder mis-plumb an upstairs toilet to the hot-water line,
does that count as negative?
Never had a problem with the tank sweating, but your skin would
get a little dewy when you sat down.
The site below has what I use, rocking with this type of seal will not
break the seal and it's the only type I would use from now on. No more
wax seals !!!!
I agree-- I used one a month ago when I started working on my tiny
bathroom. As it turned out i had to take the toilet out a half
dozen times during the course of the job. [I'm slow & the Mrs.
wanted a handy toilet no matter what the room looked like.]
It was not only the most economical way- [at the Borg- $6 once instead
of $4 6 times]- there was no messy wax every time I moved the toilet.
I don't see a disadvantage to the rubber rings yet-- though time will
tell if the rubber holds up under those conditions for as long as the
It would certainly take care of a 'rocking toilet' leak-- but if the
toilet is rocking, chances are there is a subfloor problem. [or the
house is settling and the plumbing isn't]
Thanks all of you. Maybe my weight assumption was incorrect. Sure
hope so. I have been in this house 6 years now. I have two johns -
both manifest same problem. I even replaced one john with an American
Standard. I even opted for what was supposed to be the better seal. I
thought I had the bases down tight - maybe I didn't. I never had this
trouble in prior house (20 years).
Years ago a similar problem drove me nuts. The cause was determined to
be an extra plastic horn stuck to the toilet.
Between the two horns there was no seal.
Make sure you are cleaning the bottom of the toilet well and that the
floor framing is up to the task. Given a choice between plain wax
gasket and wax gasket with horn take the horn.
I would have to agree with the above comments on transitioning from wax
rings over to a more resilient conduit from the basin to your drain. I
have over time rotated out almost all of the wax rings in my apartment
units to a waxless model. I have not used the particular model
(Ultraseal) mentioned above but it actually looks better and cheaper
then the ones I have been purchasing. I have not had any leaks to date
and I recommend this practice. Wax rings were a good solution back
when pvc and rubber were not available and the only methods of
connection were lead and cast iron. Besides cleaning wax rings off
just stinks! ;)
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