Quite an accusation. Sunds almos criminal.
Perhaps you'll be so kind as to specify precisely which utilities have
precisely which " ...appropriate agency appointees so they could avoid
installing the most modern equipment."
I for one haven't read about that.
If you are going to make shotgun charges of whlesale bribery and
it would be really nice to see just who you are accusng, and to weigh the
level of proof, if any, supporting your accusations.
Put up the details, or we will all know that you are a blow hard, a
a fabricator and a liar, and give any future post of yours on any topic
just the credibility it, and you demonstrate you deserve.
You can learn these things for yourself. Has your town been involved in any
construction projects that were unbelievably stupid? Projects which no
private venture capitalist would've touched?
Yes, or no?
It was your assertion sonny. You get to back it up, or be perceived as
Its not my job to do research to show that ypou are not a liar.
You can't back up your accusation of criminal activity and bribery.
You are a blow hard,a pervaricator, a fabricator, and a liar.
You have demonstrated that no post of yours, nor you personally,
have any credibility.
Again, the inorganic Hg isn't the issue--the problem is, it doesn't stay
that way in the environment always -- it gets methylated which is how it
Don't know about in the UK specifically, but the current technology in
place in the US is estimated to capture only a little over a third of
total estimated emissions. This will go up as more wet scrubbers come
on line and as other control/abatement technology techniques are
It's a very complicated area as higher levels of Hg capture are observed
for bituminous coal-fired plants as compared to low-rank coal-fired
plants, Hg capture varies drastically across existing plants, higher
levels of Hg capture are observed in fabric filters (FF) compared to
electrostatic precipitators (ESPs), and a significant capture of Hg2+ in
wet SO2 scrubbers.
As just one example, the above observation about bituminous coal
compared to the low-rank coals is owing in large part to the increased
Cl content of the bituminous coals which tend to produce Hg(2+)
compounds which are much more amenable to adsorption in ESPs than Hg(0)
(Spent about 30 years working w/ electric utilities, about the last 20
A water utility that I used work for (not quite 30 years but close) has
recently installed improved treatment facilities at an incinerator to
pull the mercury out of the scrubber liqour sent back to the sewage
works for treatment. From recollection this has reduced the mercury load
to the sewage works by 75% and improved the effluent quality.
Problem is that the concentration of heavy metals in the ash is
insufficient to warrant recovery - where does the sludge go - a
hazardous landfill site! The amount will reduce over time since this
recycle was the main source of mercury.
I hear more about actual fires from lamps other than CFLs than I do
about ones from CFLs.
I hear a lot about CFLs failing more spectacularly than one would like,
with a main blame being filter capacitors rupturing. The major
manufacturers have made improvents in that area, and I hear less about
this than I did a few years ago.
As for reports of actual fires caused by CDFs or ones actually catching
fire - I don't hear of amny of those, and I suspect those are mostly due
to non-UL-listed ones available mainly at dollar stores, and from the few
with safety recalls (which includes one of what I would call a "dollar
One more thing: Many CFLs are unsuitable for use in small enclosed
fixtures and in recessed ceiling fixtures. Most over 23 watts are
unsuitable there. The ones most suited are probably ballastless ones for
use in fixtures designed for them, and after that Philips non-dimmable SLS
up to 23 watts. However, if a CFL has UL listing, it is supposed to
be at least "reasonably safe" unless used in a manner directed against.
Note - ballastless bulbs are not subject to UL listing the way ones with
- Don Klipstein ( email@example.com)
Are the "Dollar Store" brands any different than the others? They are
all most likely made in China, and very likely all the same maker.
Then the are given a brand name. In my opinion, they are all the
same, except for the price. It's just like (flashlight type)
batteries. I can buy Duracell or other name brands for $5 (four AAs),
or buy a generic package for $2. They all last the same amount of
time. They are all likely made at the same place too.
Even if the "name brands" last an hour longer, consider that I can buy
2 and a half times the amount if I chooose the generic brand.
I see major differences in:
* Amount of light produced
* Truthfulness in claim of light output
* Color of light
* Color rendering properties of the light
* Accuracy in statement of power consumption
* Rate of early failures
* Rate of failures with smoke, loud sounds, burning glow in base
* Rate of strange flickering, strange heating of the base
* Construction quality - croooked assembly, some come apart easily
* Presence/absence of UL and FCC certification
- Don Klipstein ( firstname.lastname@example.org)
On Sep 19, 2:43 pm, email@example.com wrote:
I hate em, to the core of my being I hate em, except in the outside
fixtures where they last long. They make a bad humming sound, put
interference on the power line, and generally give off ugly light,
contain mercury, etc. Now with your fire post I hate em even more, I
never really thought of that.
I like the light of most spirals up to 23 watts, and few of them hum -
none in my experience so far when they have "Energy Star" approval. OK,
many do hum fainly enough to hear faintly from 1 foot away, and then only
in some fixtures.
I get little interference, usually none. Ones with electronic ballasts
are subject to FCC approval. (Dollar store junkers usually lack
indication of this.)
- Don ( firstname.lastname@example.org)
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