Supposed to be, but if my locale is any indication, those bulbs won't be
recycled for a very long time. The county's solid waste facility will accept
them if residents drop them off, but none of the trash haulers have a
program in place to handle them separately. According to a radio interview a
few months back, pretty much nobody drives across the county to drop off
Undoubtedly indeterminate. At the moment, the return value is so low
compared to the scrap price as to be totally ineffective as an
incentive. Even when first introduced it had only a marginal impact as
the value wasn't seen by most as enough to make up for the inconvenience
of lugging them back. And even w/ current record or near-record scrap
prices, the bulk, even if recycled, go to the no-pay recycle collection
points rather than being collected individually for scrap.
I've not looked, but one would assume there could be some information
available on the amount of recycled Al and how much of that was can
stock and compare that to the amount of can stock produced. That
wouldn't be highly precise, undoubtedly, but at least a ballpark
guesstimate. Lived near the Alcoa can stock rolling mill in Alcoa, TN,
for quite some time and they use almost all recycled feed material iirc.
Don't remember annual production, but it'll make a bunch of cans.
Hauled the molten Al in large heated vats on flatbed trailers from the
melt facility to the mill--always thought it would be a real treat for
one of them to get into an accident on the I40/I75 interchange in west
K-town and avoided being close to them scrupulously. Suspect 90% of the
idjits barreling along at 80 mph plus had no idea what they were
tailgating or cutting in and out of traffic around...
Actually, that probably isn't true still. I haven't compared value of
the scrap to the return but for an individual one the return may still
be higher. It's the inconvenience thing that's controlling I think.
But it is still be advocated as a good idea? Especially when factor
in the costs of storing, moving it around, etc., before recycling?
At the moment, the return value is so low
According to EPA: While recycling has grown in general, recycling of
specific materials has grown even more drastically: 50 percent of all
paper, 34 percent of all plastic soft drink bottles, 45 percent of all
aluminum beer and soft drink cans, 63 percent of all steel packaging,
and 67 percent of all major appliances are now recycled.
Sorta like Han Solo when Pizza the Hut cast him in carbon. (Or am
I getting two movies mixed up again??)
I'd have thought the Al can might be a little higher than that but it's
still comparatively inconvenient for many places where high numbers are
used outdoors which contributes largely to that I suspect...
I remember but can't even think now whether it was actually Han Solo or
not??? But, more like whichever one it was (Goldfinger, maybe?) where
the bad guy got dropped into the molten metal is what I think of...
Intuitively, though it would seem to be the other way, to me. Most of
the outside places where one uses Al cans (except outside a home, where
there would be no real difference with inside) would seem to be places
like beaches, pools, maybe a forest or woods where it wouldn't be too
hard for the municipality or owner to set up recycling disposal areas
right next to waste disposal cans. Maybe I am wrong.
Either way the family gets a really nice paperweight in
I suppose if they were to set up recycling collection points there they
might get some response. I was simply commenting on what is current
practice at most places where there are simply trash containers that
rarely, if ever, are recycled so my hypothesis is the overall
percentages are lowered significantly because for those to be recycled
they would have to be toted back home which most don't/won't do except
for the pack-it-in, pack-it-out wilderness areas which are a minute
fraction in terms of numbers. Hence, the inconvenience factor...
Bulbs.com ships CFLs UPS Ground, or did so for me in the past, in
packages without any indication of hazardous cargo. I have declared them
at my post office when mailing to a friend across the country for testing
- no problems, no special labels.
In most jurisdictions in the USA, residences can throw out burnt-out
CFLs in regular trash, though it is preferred to take suggestions from
- Don Klipstein ( firstname.lastname@example.org)
once the CF bulb breaks,the mercury is released. It vaporizes at room temp.
So,handling the remains is not going to contaminate you any further.
the threat then is from the phosphors on the broken glass pieces getting in
If you want to ship the CF bulb,put it in a Ziploc bag,then box it for
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:43:35 -0500, alvinamorey wrote:
I flipped on a 30 watt coiled CF bulb down in my basement a couple years
ago and watched in horror as sparks and flames sprayed out of the plastic.
I called Sylvania/Osram and reported the incident. They asked for me to
send the defect to them. I asked for a postage paid label but they
declined so that's as far as it went. Never bought one after that.
I've used CFLs throughout the house ( with the exception of the kitchen
where we use striplights) for more than 20 years with little problem.
I've had one where the glass cracked but didn't fall out of the fitting.
Mostly, they have done what was said on the box. Usual life has been 6
to 8 years, though I've also had some early failures as I have in
earlier years with filament bulbs.
I'm happy with my energy bills and I hope I've reduced my footprint on
the planet. This nonsense about mercury is just that!
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