The other option is get them and then not use them. Retire them as it where. I get a kick out Gore and others saying that it is okay for them to have the big houses, etc., because they buy these offsets. If they were serious, they'd buy the offsets and not use them so total pollution would go down by that amount. And don't even get me started on the fraud that is offsetting the footprint by buying a tree somewhere.
Yeah, I was going to suggest that Joe's NY lawyers would probably have been more effective if they had simply used the resources to buy the credits instead of filing lawsuits, but thought I'd just retire rather than lob an incendiary... :)
Just do it and then brandish it on-board. They'll listen to you then.
Bob
So what?
If you eat fish (yum), the Mercury is deposited right in your tummy.
Right. That claim is a fraud.
Gore took credit for "the initiative in creating the internet."
Other than that, they're pretty much the same, right?
I don't think there have been any.
There are 1.5 million Google hits on "fire+CFL," but most seem to be fans ranting about some coach in the Canadian Football League.
Buying them doesn't make the lawyers any money and only puts one on the back pages of the paper... What's the use of that? (g)
That's actually worse than the other wording imo...
The "initiative" came from DARPA and its precursors when Gore was learning how to shave...
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Gore was the main force in Congress for the Internet to get from that point to something most people heard of.
- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)
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Quite an accusation. Sunds almos criminal.
Perhaps you'll be so kind as to specify precisely which utilities have purchased precisely which " ...appropriate agency appointees so they could avoid installing the most modern equipment."
I for one haven't read about that.
If you are going to make shotgun charges of whlesale bribery and corruption, it would be really nice to see just who you are accusng, and to weigh the level of proof, if any, supporting your accusations.
Put up the details, or we will all know that you are a blow hard, a pervaricator, a fabricator and a liar, and give any future post of yours on any topic just the credibility it, and you demonstrate you deserve.
I'm not buying, sorry...it didn't do anything that wasn't already happening...
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Especially since it can be rather persuasively argued that the thing that took the Internet out of the lab and into the living room (the world wide web) came not from government or with governmental funding.
Citizens downwind of the filthy plant don't give a f*ck what the utility's shareholders want. Pollution credits are a crime.
Now, answer the question: How do you, as a lobbyist get your elected slobs to vote for a law that allows your corporate sponsor to buy their way out of being responsible?
You can learn these things for yourself. Has your town been involved in any construction projects that were unbelievably stupid? Projects which no private venture capitalist would've touched?
Yes, or no?
Well, those that are also shareholders might as noted previously. And, no they're not a crime, they're part of established law. Now if you want the law changed, get busy...
Same way you get yours to do your bidding... :)
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It was your assertion sonny. You get to back it up, or be perceived as a liar.
Its not my job to do research to show that ypou are not a liar.
You can't back up your accusation of criminal activity and bribery.
You are a blow hard,a pervaricator, a fabricator, and a liar.
You have demonstrated that no post of yours, nor you personally, have any credibility.
But it's not legal to throw them in your Seattle garbage.
Bob
How naiive.
Superficially, maybe. Fundamentally, not so much...
If the concept of pollution credits is such an anathema to you, join with a like-minded group or organize your own and recruit folks to come along to the party. Develop a proposed legislative solution, understand _thoroughly_ the issues on _both_ sides (although in reality there are probably twenty faceted sides to any real issue rather than just the simple-minded good-versus-evil viewpoint you seem to espouse), draft some proposed legislation and get some support from your local representative(s) to introduce it.
Lots and lots and lots of work you say? Yeah, sure. Likely to happen next week even if you did? No. But, that's the way the system works. Takes money to get to DC to talk to other congressional representatives other than when you can buttonhole yours at the local townhall meeting? Ayup, lots of it. That's why you're gonna' need a bunch of folks to join the movement. Gonna' get fought tooth and nail by the coal and utility industries? Most likely; they've got a stake in your plan, too. Find some allies? Also, quite probable. "Win" totally in the end by completing eliminating the pollution credits market? Unlikely, but if you can make a strong enough case you might realistically expect to get some changes that make some differences in areas you like. That's known as "compromise" and is how the present state came to be. Welcome to Washington, Mr. Smith... :)
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