There was a lot of speculation about the hype of this hurricane. I live
in downstate NY thirty miles from the long Island sound, so I had no
concern about storm surges. It was windy the night before the storm hit
my area, and it was windy after the storm left. The storm itself, in my
area seemed a non event. I lost power, phone, internet, and useable cell
service the morning the storm hit and just got them back two hours ago.
I have never seen so much tree damage and flooded basements in my life.
Even now, some areas of southern Connecticut have huge outages. All in
all, I think we were very lucky that this storm was only a weak cat1.
I agree with the OP. On Sunday the rain had stopped before noon, and at 2
PM or so I was at my daughter's, and saw what was basically a twig that had
fallen out of her big old hunking Norway maple. Two hours later 1/3 of the
tree (2 or 3 big pieces off the main trunk) had fallen, luckily only a
glancing blow at the house.
Sadly people expect unreasonable things...
It takes days to repair power transmission lines...
Some power station transformers take time to obtain when the ones in
service were destroyed by trees falling on them...
It would take tens of thousands of repair crews to restore power in
hours after the storm was over -- let alone having to wait until the
and wind have stopped.. Patching up downed 13,800 volt lines is not
like playing with an extension cord in your backyard...
People need to actually LISTEN to what they are told to do by the
authorities in these situations, not be stubborn and try to stick it
at their own homes pretending that they are still in control...
To the people bitching about not having power for days and days --
you were warned -- you had a week to go out and obtain a generator
BEFORE the storm hit... You had a week to learn where the storm
shelters were going to be located...
DO NOT BLAME the power company for your lack of preparedness,
nor your ego/pride which has prevented you from seeking assistance
at a storm shelter... Those things are your fault, not that of the
Maybe you idiots will start listening now when the experts are telling
you how fragile our infrastructure actually is... We were given a
of this medicine in 2005 when Katrina hit but not too many people
learned from it... The magic in our daily lives known as electricity
is a fragile thing, an event that happens a thousand miles away can
impact your electrical service... Transmission lines carry power
thousands of miles to where the customers are using it are all
interconnected so a failure of something far away can cause wide
area cascading power outages...
If your life requires you to be on-line and able to update your
Facebook status every few minutes then you need to actually
put forth some effort on your own part to ensure that outcome is
possible... I have a feeling that many people would still have
complained even if their power had not gone out because their
cable TV, FIOS services and internet went out during the storm
and they are bored, tired, hungry and can't get any information
because their computers are off-line...
Plain old telephone service actually provided by the phone
company only suffered light damage -- cable companies offering
"bundle services" were hit hard and could not access much of
the network to make restorations until after the downed poles
were repaired by either the power company or phone company
which actually owns the poles and is responsible for them...
Live and Learn...
The line crews are working 16 hour shifts. One town selectman in CT
complained that crews are not working 24 hours.
It is truly amazing to listen to the people and how ignorant they are of how
the system works. They are accusing special treatment when the Woodstock
Fairgrounds got power back before houses in the area. Well, they are on the
main road so when the main line comes back, whatddayaknow, the lights go on.
Not so on the impassable roads. where trees are down taking lines with them.
. So they complain
There may be a little legitimacy that tree trimming has been cut back and
was a contributing factor. I don't have any hared facts or evidence though.
Yup... Asshole politicians...
How many hours a day have those little town DPW workers been putting
clearing trees in and around the downed power lines ?
Umm... None, the DPW cuts the trees off the street at the curb...
power company has to wait for the licensed tree companies to remove
the trees from the lines before any work can be done to restore
All of these small town blowhards would have a lot more legitimacy if
their workers were out doing their share, but it is not being done as
no one has it in their budget...
Want a reliable power grid ? Build your own power plant in your own
small town and see how good a job you can do when 20% of the trees
in your town shed limbs after a hurricane...
Some of these selectmen and mayors of small towns expect to be
treated like kings and have their every whim attended to when there
are large commercial customers that were dark which meter more
power through their factories in a month than some of those towns
of 5,000 meter in six months total... Gotta start checking the grid
from the primaries and repairing as you go down through the layers
to the individual customers... That takes time...
15 years ago, when I moved to this house, we had power outages lasting
around 4 hours, every couple of months. About a year later, NYSEG was
fined by the public service energy commission for not maintaining the
lines/ trees properly. At that time they made an obvious push to clean
up their system, and for around 10 years I had no power outages. In the
last few years, I've seen very little line maintenance , in fact very
few line crews from both ConEdison and NYSEG. In the last few years,
outages are becoming more prevalent and for longer durations. I just
think that these power companies keep their crews down to a bare
minimum, so when something major does occur, they're totally
defenseless. In the six days that my power was out, I saw one NYSEG
truck, on the sixth day. It took about 3 days to bring line crews from
other states and Canada to help with the repairs, and I have to say,
every crew I saw, worked like well oiled machines.
The obvious analogy is winter snow removal- you don't keep a equipment
fleet for the once-in-a-blue-moon blizzard situation, you equip and
staff for around 105% of your average requirements. No power company
keeps enough trucks and crews for hurricanes- the rates they would have
to charge the customers would be even higher. They depend on moving
their trucks/crews around, mutual aid agreements with nearby power
companies, and contracts with companies that do nothing but
installation/repair work. After the Memorial day storm here, most of the
crews setting new poles and lines here were of that last category.
As to keeping the right-of-ways clear- the local utilities had just done
a cycle of that, and got a lot of blowback from how brutal they were
about it in some neighborhoods, including situations where it would have
been cheaper to reroute the line, rather than kill some beautiful mature
specimen trees. So they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
And yes, those crews do work like well-oiled machines. They have to, or
somebody could end up dead, and they couldn't meet their daily quotas
for poles in the ground and wire strung. I remember how happy I was
after 4 days with no power, to be coming home from work and seeing six
crews in a row, working on the last big missing chunk of main feeder
that fed my neighborhood. This storm didn't just take down isolated
poles- there were half-mile sections where ALL the poles were snapped
and on the ground, and the wire a tangle of spaghetti. The repair was
more like a new build-out.
As far as tree trimming goes, I own property in CT and I have a letter
postmarked Mar 30 2011 notifying that they would be doing tree trimming
in the area, so it would seem that they have done recent maintenance.
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