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Yep, my back porch door has that problem. Had quite a pushing experience getting it open two weeks ago. Didn't want to walk around the house through the snow to shovel it clear. Only happens when the wind is coming from an odd direction though.

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re: "You are aware that french doors can be installed to open _out_?"

You are aware that open _out_ doors can't be opened when there's snow piled up outside the door?

Sliders can.

You are aware that open _out_ doors can't (shouldn't?) be opened when it's raining?

Sliders can.

You are aware that open _out_ doors take up room on the deck?

Sliders don't.

Besides, I'm not looking to replace my slider door with french doors. I *like* my slider. If and when it ever needs to be replaced, it will be replaced with another slider.

By the way, I'm not talking about some ugly, aluminum, drafty sliding door. I've got a good quality, wood interior, white aluminum clad exterior, double pane glass, with a nice oak sill.

Like I said, other than the rare times I've gotten a little snow in the tracks, I couldn't be happier with my slider.

Mine do, modulo the width of the hinge and door knob. Ours have sidelights the width of the doors, so basically the whole wall is window. There's nothing to see but the screened in porch, though. It's a Southern exposure so does let a lot of light in and the porch keeps the direct sun out of the great room in the Summer (rather important in Alabama).

I never had any real problems cleaning the tracks in previous houses. It took a little work, but no biggie. I broke a wheel once, but I don't really remember replacing it (it was over 20 years ago). If I had a slider again I'd get a good wood one, though. Aluminum doors in Vermont was a very bad idea.

Sure. I could go either way, though now having French doors, I do prefer them.

Are you aware that there are such things as eves and porches? ;-)

That's why they make both.

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Odd, I jsut posted where I had just done it.

And jsut why would that be?

You are aware that open _in_ doors take up room inside?

Well goody for you

I'll give you credit though, you didn't bring up the usual lie about 'open out resdential doors' being banned by code.

Harry K

On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:55:20 -0600, " snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote: SNIPP

Are you aware snow DRIFTS. A 4 foot overhang will not prevent snow blowing in and packing against the door, although it does help, and might give you six inches space between the door and the wall of snow. Which is enough to open an in-swing door or a slider, but only gives you a little bit of swinging space to batter the snow back with an outswing.

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Sure you did: "Had quite a pushing experience getting it open two weeks ago."

On the other hand, I'm not sure I would want to subject my door to that kind of torque. To each his own.

I guess it also depends on the amount of snow. Let me know if you can open with a couple feet of wet/frozen snow on the other side.

Perhaps I should have said what I was thinking and not required you to read my mind.

I'm assuming an open out french door has an interior finish that is meant to be indoors most of the time. So I'm thinking that an unprotected (no overhang, canopy, etc) open out french door shouldn't have it's interior surface out in the elements for an extended period.

A slider can be left open for hours on end during a nice summer rain storm. BT do T.

Why are we going around in circles?

Earlier in this thread I asked if a french door opened 180 degrees because if they don't then it would an inconvenience in my situation. You came back with "You are aware that french doors can be installed to open _out_?" When I responded that an open out door will take up room on a deck (which a slider wouldn't) you came back with "You are aware that open _in_ doors take up room inside?"

Isn't that exactly where we started and right back to what I would find inconvenient?

Thanks!

You give me credit for not telling a lie? I would think that that would be an expected behavior, something not worthy of recognition.

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I answered your post in the tone you used to post it. You want sarcasm? You got it in return. Basically your objections are nothing more than nit picking.

About your only halfway valid point it the 'opening against a snow bank'. That is easily solved by either pushing it open as I did or toodling around the house with a shovel.

That you are enamored of one of the poorest solutions to a wall opening ever invented is fine by me. My slider will disappear in the spring.

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Basically my *points* are the differences between sliders and open in/ out doors and how they might impact an individual's lifestyle.

You don't like your slider? Fine, remove it.

I don't want the door that connects my family room to my deck to swing open in either direction for all the reasons I mentioned above. Having to rearrange either my family room or limit my deck space to accommodate a swinging door is far from "nit picking".

Like I said, to each his own.

Again, that all depends on the amount of snow and how much stress you want to put on the door. As I stated earlier, the words you used were "quite a pushing experience". That tells me that were abnormally high stresses put on the frame and hinges. That's simply not something I would want to subject my expensive door to.

But again, to each his own. If you're OK with that, that's fine. Really.

Oh come, is a slider a poorer invention than these?

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A Jalousie window has to be the worst!!!

snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

o gawd, I have them,too! 4 Sets in the enclosed porch. I only opened the

On Thu 23 Dec 2010 11:31:34p, Lisa BB. told us...

The key to properly operating jalousies is maintenance. My parents owned a home for many years that had a 32' x 20' back porch with 6' tall jalousies lining three walls. My dad lubricated and operated the mechanisms on a regular schedule and there was never a problem. They cranked open and closed tightly with minimal effort. Jalousies are not a type of window to be ignored for months or years on end.

Wayne Boatwright wrote in news:Xns9E584B77F843wayneboatwrightxgmai@198.186.190.71:

These windows are from 1950s, as well as the house. The previous people didn't maintain very much. The framed screens are nailed to the wall. And varnished the same as the walls. Our windows look about 6 feet also. There is almost no way to get at the mechanisms. They don't crank. There is a lever that is suppoed to go up or down. As I said, I have to wait for the spring to get the levers working right. It's about 20 degress all the time and too cold to play around with glass.

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My point was, if you think a decent sliding door is a "hole in the wall" heat-wize and air-leak-wize, it cannot compare to even the BEST jalousie style window.

On Fri 24 Dec 2010 12:53:32p, told us...

I would never recommend jalousies as windows into a heated or air condition space, nor would I particularly want sliders for the same. However, jalousies can be a very nice window for a 2-3 season porch.

On Fri 24 Dec 2010 01:07:39a, Lisa BB. told us...

You inherited an unfortunate situation that someone else created, and I undestand your dilemma. Quite unlike my parents' situation. This has been such a long thread that I probably missed it, but are your windows on a porch or windows to your home itself?