why have the doors take up room when they open? Have them swing out,
makes leaving in a hurry a bit faster. (Fire!) and it makes it harder for
the Jack-booted Ones to kick in yo door. door is supported all the way
have I missed a down-side to this idea? a Rex Roberts idea.
"If I can not dance, I want no part in your revolution." Emma Goldman
Ask for a NRP hinge system (non removable pins). That being said,
inswing doors are the convention on residential, outswing for
commercial. Some entries do not permit or are not designed for a
convenient staging area for people as you swing the door out. I think
it would be safer for the security conciouse people to be inside the
house as the door opens rather than halfway out onto the front porch.
Besides non removable pins there are security hinge screws . You remove
2 opposing screws the hinge screw sticks out an inch on the door locking
into to the opposing hole in the frame. Even a crowbar wont pop the
hinge . You have to rip out the frame to remove the door. commom item.
Check with your local inspector, outswinging doors are against code in most
area's. If you are in good enough condition to reach the door in a fire, the
extra second to open it will not be a hindrance, it will be a problem for
the emergency crews trying to save your life if you are not able to make it
to the door, for a fire or anything else.
Having someone trying to save your life rendered unable to because of a door
is a big downside to me. One to three seconds in a fire can be important,
one to three minutes is critical.
You are right!! I do not have, have not had, probably won't ever have a
copy of CABO residential code books, but please make me a little smarter and
tell me which section requires in-swinging doors.
Keep the whole world singing. . . .
No section of the book specifies it. The book only specifies for commercial
and multi-family units (over two family). Check with your local fire
department and building inspector, see which way they allow your single
family house to have the doors swing. I suppose even they would have a
problem telling you much of anything. Code or not, I would prefer to allow
rescue personnel the quickest access to me, if I ever needed them. Check my
original post Dan, I said they are against code in MOST areas, and we are in
a residential newsgroup, not a commercial one. I also offered my opinion
about why inward swinging doors are a good idea in a residence. If that's a
little too much for you to take because it disagrees with your opinion, then
stop reading the thread. Having traveled most of the country, I would have
to say most homes are built with inward swinging doors for good reason.
True, but I don't think they swing inward because of habit. In New England,
the original habit was outswinging doors. Homes that still have them are
grandfathered and require special permits to maintain them during any
remodeling. I know that codes are left up to individual states, and that
most states leave it up to local municipalities, but I would have to think
that they swing in for a good reason. I know where I live, they won't let
you have one that swings out.
Also.. If you notice... If you install a residential door using
standard hinges so that it swings out... The hinge pins end up on the
OUTSIDE of the door so that anyone could lift the door off the hinges
and walk right in...
My basement doors open to the outside with hinges fully accessable. A
locksmith friend gave me a cool tip. Open the door. Drive a 3" screw
into the jamb, one near/at a hinge, leaving a little more than 1/2"
stub exposed. Cut off the head. Gently close the door, just enough
so that the stub makes a mark on the door. Drill a hole slot (moving
the drill back and forth) into the door where you see the mark.
Repeat for the other hinges. A 10-minute job, costs less than a buck.
A thief removing the hinge pins won't open the door. Slick, hugh?
And if you check, you will find security hinges that have a pin which
prevents removing the door after the hinge pins are pulled. Or, just
drill matching holes in the hinges and drive a nail or screw to match
up. Not rocket science.
Except for the storm door problem all benefits that I can see favor an
outswing door (my back & front door both swing out).
The storm door problem does not arise if you have some sort of
enclosed entry porch or air lock.
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