I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.
Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??
We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.
So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??
On Apr 22, 5:19 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org (MICHELLE H.) wrote:
This is the best way to install fence posts, with a metal spike driven
into the ground. Prevents rot for much longer than concrete and can
be taken out (but not that easily).
Also shorter posts can be used and quicker to install.
# This is the best way to install fence posts, with a metal spike driven
# into the ground. Prevents rot for much longer than concrete and can
# be taken out (but not that easily).
# Also shorter posts can be used and quicker to install.
I used a couple of those to build a handrail next to concrete steps
10 years later, the handrail is still solid.
What type of soil do you have where the fence will go? The chain link
fence poles can be hammered in with a fence pole hammer (exercise) if
That would be the cheap way. Careful to keep the pipe plumb, fence
line straight. May be able to rent one.
Gravel is used for drainage as water will seep further in the ground.
Cement is used for a more stable construction (prisons). Mounded above
the soil and water drains away from the pipe.
...or put a fence around the garden
Yeah, my neighbor has a garden, and he has a 6 foot high wooden stockade
fence on his back property line. Last year he saw 4 deer sticking their
necks OVER his 6 foot high fence, because they were eating all his Green
Beans from his bean stalks!!!! They can stretch their necks out very far
as well!!! And, yes I know they can jump over fences at least 8 feet
high!!! I had some really nice tomato plants, lettuce, and pumpkins
growing last year. In 1 night the damn deer ater it all and killed the
Anyway, the soil is somewhat of a sandy/loam mix. Some nice loam on the
top as topsoil, probably a few inches, with sandy soil underneath. My
neighbor told me to just put up one of those cheap 4 foot high Green
plastic fences, or some chicken wire fencing, but I was thinking that
chainlink would be a little more sturdy!?
Only want it temporary, as I will most likely get a 6 foot high wooden
or PVC fence later on when I get the extra money. Yes, I heard that you
can pound the posts in, but you have to be careful not to ruin the top,
or you won't be able to get the "post caps" on!?
You can buy T-posts from a farm supply. They pound in and will work for
plastic fencing. If you want chain link, that is not what I'd consider
a temporary fence, and they are usually cememted in. If you want
temporary, buy T-posts, pound them in with a driver made for that use,
or a sledge hammer. Wire or use xip straps to attach the plastic fence
to the posts.
It depends on the soil and the type of fence post. If you have sandy
soil, you'll probably need concrete around any fence post. In *any*
soil, you're going to need it around chain link posts. They're too
thin to hold without a slug of concrete. 4x4s in clay soil are
A temporary chain link fence makes for some pretty expensive veggies.
You'll be wasting your money if your intent is to keep out veggie
chomping critters. Our area is infested with deer, racoons, rabbits,
etc. Our 6' chain link fence keeps out none of the above. The small
animals burrow under the fence and the deer jump it as if it were not
there. Our neighbors have been successful by surrounding the perimeter
of their veggie plot with vertical metal strips that are sunk down about
12" and protrude above ground level about 8". Inside the plot they've
put up some tent poles and attached strong, nylon netting and fastened
the margins of the netting securely to the metal strips. The holes in
the netting are large enough to allow bees in to pollinate the veggie
flowers but are small enough to keep out birds and 4 legged critters.
They built the tent with a flap that ties securely with nylon twine.
Seems to do the job.
I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.
I've had that 6 foot fence up since 2009 and so far, not one deer has
come in the yard.
However, deer can see right through chain link.
I think it's important for the view to be blocked.
Deer aren't likely to jump something when they can't see where they are
going to land.
I don't think 5 feet of chain link will work and I don't think
you'd be able to stretch the link onto the fence if you don't use
cement. You could try cementing only the end posts but if I was
doing chain link, I'd use cement on all the posts.
This last year, about 7 sections of my fence were destroyed by Sandy.
After the trees were removed, we had deer tracks in the yard the next
day. I just finished repairs so the deer will have to eat somewhere
Oh, yeah, raccoons. Nothing short of land mines or electricity will
keep them out. I don't grow vegetables.
have a complete fence and get a dog, it will police the area and
only the corner post of my 6 foot chain link fence were concreted in
over 15 years ago, no problems.
although the gate posts were also concreted in
I think an 8 ft fence will keep out any deer but smaller fences will
deter them too. Deer are browsers and will walk along, bump into a
fence and go other wheres. Netting will deter them and cheapest thing
would be wooden posts with netting. It is not necessary to block their
view. The whole garden should be enclosed or deer could just walk
around fenced sections.
Back on the farm they (the deer) cleared the electric fences if they
found them in daylight. They were effective if they found them at
night. Might work if you kept them turned off during daylight hours
to maximize the chance of them finding them live by feel. They
usually don't try the second time if they are anything like horses.
Tell the urban deer here in Kitchener that. a six foot fence is an
invitation. An 8 foot fence a challenge. An 8 foot board fence they
cannot see through is quite effective, but not foolprof. Every year
you get a couple jumping blind into swimming pools.
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