Another crazy thing on the news about the oil leak last night. They
are saying BP is having some giant bell shaped metal boxes constructed
with piping attached. The idea is to lower them down over the leaking
areas on the ocean bottom, trap the oil and pump it out at the
surface. Two things immediately stand out. First, they said it will
take 1 1/2 weeks to build them. WTF? You would think in an
emergency like this, any reasonable iron yard could do this in 1 day.
Second, why aren't such devices already in existence and ready to
go? I would think there would have been an entity supported and
funded by ALL the oil companies that are doing underwater drilling.
That entity would not only have all the equipment necessary to deal
with actual oil spills, but also would do research on ideas of how to
deal with this, eg the bell collector gizmo, failsafe valves, etc.
They could have proper eqpt built, tested, ready to go, etc. Instead,
apparently we are relying on thinking things up in the middle of a
crisis. It would only make sense to have some collective resource
pooling, no? That way each company could have a much larger and
better response to any spill than any one of them could individually.
I suspect it would take a huge device to trap the oil AND withstand the
force of the oil spewing and the ocean currents.
I'm wondering if all the rain in TN and AR will help the fisheries by
washing oil away from shore...hope so. We've had enough disasters/wars
to last a while and hurricane season is here.
Here is a simplistic view of the leak site:
It's something to consider.
(unless you believe in that "see no evil" stuff...)
That blowout preventer had multiple protection layers,and ALL of them
There's a pattern here,and statements have been made that leads one to
believe all this is NOT accidental,if one connects the dots,particularly
considering the methods ComradeObama uses and believes in;Alinsky.
"dirty tricks" are not unheard of;remember Nixon's Watergate for one
example. These accidents all aid ComradeObama's goals too well,and are too
True,but I was only discussing electricity generation.
It will be even worse if all-electric motor vehicles are mandated.
Our ECONOMY depends on cheap energy,and the only reasonable,practical
methods are all being BLOCKED. Intentionally!
See,there's the gist of it;
cheap energy allows people to better their lifestyle,and also allows
government to do more for the people.
Costly energy puts people out of work,and lowers the standard of living.
If solar,passive or active, and your "out in the boonies windmill" are such
a good idea,they would be used WITHOUT any Federal mandates needed.
But they are not cost-competitive and have other drawbacks.
So that means if something is cheap we should just be as wasteful as
They are a good idea where they work. Makes lots of sense to put
windmills up out in the Great Plains states. Its just the current
government idea of handing out subsidies for solar or wind whether they
make sense or not that is completely stupid.
Here's another schematic that shows the 16'x40', 5way blowout
preventer. It also gives a better idea of the layout than anything
I've seen elsewhere-
Enlarge the inset for some more info.
I'm glad you finally got to your point in your last two sentences, because
the rest of your post is gibberish. There is no such thing as fail safe,
and when you're controlling something through 5,000 feet of water, it
multiplies the problem exponentially. But then zero to the nth power is
still zero. But you know that, don't you.
If you're so smart, I can head you to all sorts of companies who can use
your oilfield expertise.
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A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.
Despite claiming to know so much about the subject and going on the
attack, it's obvious you don't even understand some of the most basic
terminology. Failsafe does not mean that the system cannot ever
fail. It means it's designed so that in the event something goes
wrong, the system is designed to fail with no damage or minimized
damage. In this case, it would mean having a valve in place that
requires constant contact with the rest of the world to stay open. If
that contact is lost, then it automatically closes. That contact
could be a hydraulic line, etc that has to be pressurized to keep the
valve open. Or it could be an electric signal that holds the valve
open. If you had TWO of those that are independent and in series,
that would be a failsafe type of design.
Now, since you hint at knowing so much from personal experience, why
haven't we learned a single thing in this thread that sheds any light
on how these things work? Is there one valve or two independent
ones. Do they require action to make them close or close by
As you can see by my posts if you had thoroughly read them, I have said that
I have no experience with deep water drilling, and deep water drillheads. I
therefore gracefully withdrew from that discussion, and kept it to general
topics and general points. Unlike you who, with zero experience comes up
with all sorts of whimsical suggestions, but always prefaced with, "I'm not
experienced with this, but why can't they .......?"
The thing is off and running. Could they have shut it off, it wouldn't be
off and running. Something screwed up. But you seem more intent on getting
on to the guilty and going over the issue of responsibility.
It is obvious you know nothing of this and have no experience, since you
have never stated an answer to even the subject line.
You may go now.
So, in other words, despite crowing about experience and going on the
attack, you don't know anything about how the offshore well protection
system work either. But you have a problem with people raising
questions and interested in finding out. You may be comfortable with
writing it off as "sh** happens" and comparing it to Chernobyl, which
is a piss poor example because that WAS avoidable, but I doubt that
will satisfy the official investigation.
If there are not multiple independent valve systems
What I expect WE are gonna get out of this is the return of $4 a gallon
gas, somewhere between Memorial day and 4th of July. Labor day at the
Well, the cheap-gas side effect of the economic almost-collapse a year
ago was nice while it lasted. Here in SW MI, it has been dancing with $3
a gallon for the last couple of weeks- 2 steps up, then 1 step down.
Guess I better fill up the lawnmower can while I am thinking about it. :^(
First- thanks for elucidation on some of this stuff-- and for the
links to Greg's pictures.
Really--- It does seem so simple that one wonders why they didn't have
one of those domes standing by in the gulf waiting for a disaster to
happen. Rather than wait 2 weeks for them to cob something
How big is that pipe that is leaking? diameter? Length?
Think vertical. IIRC, it's the well head that was damaged. A well head
sticks up, and is about ten feet tall. Different valves on it, going to
different diameters within the whole well, to different depths. The wells
we drilled started out with up to a 48" diameter caisson pipe for the first
pipe, that being driven down until bedrock was contacted. Then successively
smaller diameter pipes inside that, which would not essentially add to the
height. What adds to the height is when one depth of pipe goes into an oil
bearing strata, and they need to leave the top a little longer so they can
put a valve on it. Then the next size smaller has to pass through that and
up, and the process is repeated. Oilwells are pipes within pipes, each one
getting smaller, and each one going deeper.
The well head is 5,000 feet under water. All oil wells offshore, whether on
a platform, or by themselves in deep water like this one, are plumbed to a
system of pipes that take the oil from there straight to the refinery. None
is loaded on transport ships anywhere in US waters. It all goes through
pipelines on the bottom of the ocean to the refineries.
What am I supposed to think about.
Reports I have read are that the well head is OK (except blow out
preventer does not work). The reports are that the pipe that went to the
surface has multiple leaks.
They were going to temporarily abandon the site and work on another. I
would assume the pipe to the surface that they were working on would
remain on the surface until they came back to work on "pilelines ... to
the refineries." The pipe could have gone down with the drill rig. It
could have been damaged (causing the leaks) by the drill rig sinking. If
the pipe still goes to the surface, the leaks are more likely to come up
in a smaller area. If the pipe is lying on the bottom the leaks are more
likely to be spread out, and more difficult to catch unless there are
multiple "domes" - the intended point of the question. In any case,
there are multiple leak points.
Thanks for that "air lift" explanation Steve....
The news keeps calling it a "BP" spill, but my understanding is that
Transocean (The contractor BP hired and the owner of the now sunken
floating drill platform) seems like they should be the responsible party.
But, I supposed that if I hired a contractor to paint my house and one
of his guys let a ladder get loose, it fell over a fence and seriously
injured my neighbor's kid, I and my homeowner's insurance would probably
be involved, especially if the damages were severe enough to exceed the
So, realizing that lawyers always seek the deepest pockets, I called my
broker this morning and sold all the BP stock in my portfolio.
It's far more interesting that the one guy who claims to have personal
experience in the relevant area hasn't contributed one single fact or
explanation to this thread that sheds any light on the actual
discussion. Instead, you just beat your chest in self-important
fashion and go on the attack.
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