Last august I replaced my 5 year old dishwasher because the pump motor asse
mbly failed. Its cost 350 bucks. new dishwasher 500 bucks. I am sorry I did
take it to the scrap yard, my new dishwasher has failed 2 times under warr
anty, requiring for trips, fortunately under warranty.
Now my fridge got noisey:
After investigation both fans are noisey, The one that cools the compressor
despite oiling the bearings only runs sometimes. The fan in the freezer ru
ns ok but is getting annoyingly noisey. Its grating on me:(
Called to see about those fans, both cost over 100 bucks each. The fridge w
as produced in 1996. I am reluctant to spend tons of bucks but fear a new f
ridge will be failing before it arrived. espically since it needs a new sol
enoid valve for the icemaker......
isnt it sad new stuff is so poorly designed...
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 2:30:30 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
sembly failed. Its cost 350 bucks. new dishwasher 500 bucks. I am sorry I d
id take it to the scrap yard, my new dishwasher has failed 2 times under wa
rranty, requiring for trips, fortunately under warranty.
or despite oiling the bearings only runs sometimes. The fan in the freezer
runs ok but is getting annoyingly noisey. Its grating on me:(
was produced in 1996. I am reluctant to spend tons of bucks but fear a new
fridge will be failing before it arrived. espically since it needs a new s
olenoid valve for the icemaker......
Did you look on Ebay? Check online parts stores?
Even just googling with the part # can find other sources,
cross reference it, etcand it's not unusual for a part to
have a wide price range depending on the supplier.
I agree $100 for a fan sounds like a lot.
Another thing I've wondered about with fridges is
why they don't have some kind of filter to keep dust/dirt
from getting to the coils. Mine sucks air in right off the
floor and last time I looked, even the grill was all fouled up.
Check out the prices for the fans well on the net. Just went through
this with my washing machine when basement flooding killed the motor.
Found a new one for about $150.
Go here to get the part number. Use it in your search.
It's called planned obsolescence. I read a book about it some 50 years
ago: _The Waste Makers_ by Vance Packard.
Check for after-market parts. You don't have to buy the <appliance
Another thing: How many hours work at average/modal/minimum (take your
pick) wage did it take to buy the 1996 refrigerator? How many hours to
buy a new replacement?
Look on the wiring diagram from your fridge. I expect the condensor fan
only runs while the compressor is running, so that fan only running
periodically is probably normal.
bob haller;3241613 Wrote:
The evaporator fan normally doesn't cost any more than about $15 to
What probably happened is that you phoned the factory authorized depot
for your make of fridge. They are going to put in an OEM part (like a
Maytag or Whirlpool or Frigidaire evaporator motor) The OEM parts are
going to cost at least twice as much as generic parts, or about $30 to
$40, and the factory authorized repair depot is going to make a 100%
mark-up on them, so they're going to charge you $60 to $80 for that fan
motor... and another $80 per hour to put it in.
If you can replace that fan motor yourself, you can buy a UEFM
(Universal Evaporator Fan Motor) for about $15 to $20 at any appliance
parts shop. Rotom makes generic evaporator fan motors for fridges.
They make quite a few different models, depending on what the OEM
evaporator fan motor for your fridge looks like.
The condensor fan will cost more, but it shouldn't be anywhere near
When my Sears Whirlpool refrigerator was about 32 years old, the fan in
he freezer started making noise. New generic one on Amazon probably was
iirc under 20 dollars. Went in in 15 minutes. Ground wire was too
short to attach, but the whole thing was covered with a plastic panel
anyhow. No way to touch it. I could have lengthened the ground wire
if I thought it important.
Of course it is important. If yhour house got hit by lightening and
burned down, the electrical inspector may come in and take apart your
refrigerator and declare it a code violation. Then your insurance
company won't pay.
I hear stories like that on the internet all the time so they must be
I suppose it depends on how you want to spend your time and money,
learning ability, and if you enjoy fixing things. There all kinds of
parts if you want to fix what you have.
Lots of how to do it videos on youtube...
FWIW I put a half gallon of hot water in my old dishwasher when I use
it because it's almost always "dry" from lack of use. Wets the seals in
it when first turned on, so it doesn't run dry waiting for the water
fill valve to kick in.
New appliances, shoes,a new car, granite counter tops, crown molding,
best looking yard on the block, a cordless drill... whatever it takes to
keep the little lady happy. Gotta keep up with the Joneses.
Well that's a good question, if code violations are a valid reason for
fire insurance not to pay. And I don't know the final answer I
thought the insurance insured me for my mistakes and my negligence as
well as the mistakes and negligence of others, as well as many things
that are no one's mistake (but probably not a flood, or iirc a tornado.)
First I guarantee you that it is not enough just to find a violation.
The violation has to be a link in the chain which causes the fire. I
don't know if it has to be the proximate cause or not. But if it has
nothing to do with the fire, or they can't prove it is a link in the
chain, it's not a defense for the insurance company.
This is similar to a traffic accident, where one side often raises the
"argument" the other side didnt' have a valid driver's license. While
the government might punish him for driving without a license, it
doesn't mean he caused the accident. He has to have driven badly or had
a car that failed to cause the accident.
Or where someone will back into a car that is illegally parked and say
he's not responsible because the guy shouldn't have been parked there.
That's not a legal defense either, even when it's true. You're not
allowed to hit the guy even if there is no way to get out without
hitting him. (You have to call the police and they have to have him
towed out., I think.)
I can't prove it here, but iff the ground is bad but it had nothing to
do with causing the fire, it'ss no more grounds to refuse payment than
if I hadn't paid my water bill, or I'd failed to pay my taxes. or if I
were convicted of murder. Those too are unrelated.
If the bad fan ground IS a link in the chain that causes the fire, I
don't know if that's enough to allow them to refuse payment or not. I
wish I did.
I was wrong about the time. I remember now that it was a little tricky
getting the white panels off on the side (there was a screw in 2 of the
4 pegs that held up the shelf) , which I think had to be done to get the
back panel off. Before that I had to take off the deocrative plate over
the knob etc. That just lifted up. Then there were only two screws
and a couple plugs to take out the fan and pull off the 2 or 3 wires.
My mother taught me to arrange removed parts in the order I remove them.
That always helps, but going back still took at least 10 minutes. So
it woudl have been at least 30 minutes if I hadn't paused.
The extra time spent trying to connect the ground wire and thinking
aobut the topic probably mad e the whole thing take a little over an
Well I didn't have that situation in mind anyway. I originally said
"back into a car" and I was thinking of a moving car that was going slow
enough and there was time enough to see the other car, but the guy
didn't look or thought he could squeeze through. I can easily imagine
on a mostly dark street, especially with a dark car, despite the
reflective tail light lenses, hitting a double parked car and I'm not
saying that would be the driver's negigence. But still, it's not
because the double parker was illegally parked. It's because the judge
or jury decides it's not negligence to hit a car parked in a traffic
lane. Oh, the driver was waiting for a parking place of a car
about to leave, with her brake or hazard lights on. . One certainly
seems entitled to do that. And since he hit 3 other cars first, it
seems pretty clear the cause was not her negligence. But if she were
truly double parked with no lights, that woudl be different.
There was a very quiet street in a Baltimore suburb, and everyone had a
driveway and everyone parked in the driveway or garage, but one guy had
a car that never moved and was parked on the street and was covered with
a car cover that also covered the reflective tail light lenses, and
maybe the first time I drove that way, I was partially in the traffic
lane but partly in the parking lane, not sure why, and I almost hit the
car. I went that way a lot and never hit it, but I noticed how hard
it was to see even when I looked for it, and eventually I stopped and
knocked and told hiim he ought to put some reflectors on the car cover
or someone would hit it and kill himself. The owner seemed not to care.
What a jerk. I think several months later something changed, can't
remember what. Even though he was afaik legally parked, even if the
law didn't specify reflectors, if someone got hurt, I can imagine a
judge holding him negligent for not having any. I wish I'd said that
when I talked to him.
Negligence is the one branch of law where people may have no way of
knowing what the law is until after they've broken it.
You originally said "that's not a legal defense" (above). It was.
I said it depends on where you live (not in NY). That's true, and I
provided an example.
Backing or going forward in NY in this example, it's still a legal
It's ok to be wrong. Anytime you make an absolute statement it usually
has to be wrong somewhere. But in this case I think you missed my
smiley at the end of my original comment (above). You can have the
last word... :) :) :) :)
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