(tirade snipped) Shrug. I'm on year five with my 24v B&D cordless drill, original battery pack, and it still holds a charge just fine, several months sitting on the shelf between uses. It is was it is, a convenience for small jobs, or when it would be a pain to string a cord. No, I wouldn't try to do production work with it- the one time I did, putting a storm-demolished shed back together, the batteries did go flat after the first 100 self-tapping panel screws or so. But for the 25$ I paid for it off the remainder table at Lowes, it has easily paid for itself several times over. I have a real corded drill for big jobs, but I don't do big jobs that often any more.
What he said. I have 4 various corded. Used mid to low price cordless for a few years and they were fine. Then the batteries wouldn't hold a good charge or take a charge. Just too stupid to me when I always have an outlet to plug into. Pissed me off having a tool that didn't work when I needed it so I just tossed them instead of paying for a battery what a corded drill costs. If I needed it for my work I'd pay top dollar for good cordless and just eat the battery replacement cost. Only time I miss the cordless is working where I'm grounded. So I put down a piece of plywood and watch where my hands are. Sometimes I think I'm a cheap ass not having a cordless for such occasions. But it's more protection against getting pissed by a drill that doesn't work.
Ryobi is made by Techtronic or One World, which also manufactures Milwaukee. Milwaukee nicad chargers are very different from Ryobi's, and Ryobi's nicad-only chargers are rather primitive and don't apply a final equalization charge after the regular charge, resulting in some cells going dead. Trickle charging seems to help make the batteries last longer, but do not do this with lithium batteries.
If you buy a "gallon" of milk that contains half a gallon were you conned? Nope. You were scammmed. Or taken. Or suckered. Or shorted. Or ripped off. How's that? I don't know if it's true - haven't seen that with HP's - but purposely loading a cartridge meant to hold, say 2 ounces with 1 ounce so the customer has buy a new cartridge sooner is dishonest unless it is specifically noted on the packaging, such as,. "NOTE: CARTRIDGE IN THIS PRINTER CONTAINS HALF THE INK OF A NORMAL CARTRIDGE."
Or maybe,
"NOTE: THIS PRINTER CONTAINS INK CARTRIDGE DESIGNED FOR SUCKERS."
That's bogus. Nowhere near cost of ink. What would make most people feel better is for these companies to produce and make a profit on their printers. And produce and make a profit on their ink. A sharp consumer who doesn't like cartridge cost will get around the ink ripoff by avoiding models cost too much to feed them ink. Maybe the makers will wise up, maybe not. Depends on the consumers. Last printer I bought when my HP died was a little Cannon. Because I didn't like HP cartridge cost and that they made them unrefillable. I print maybe 2 pages a year. I'm a paperless type guy. When the kids did college printing I told them to buy the cartridges themselves. That cut way down on printer use. I doubt I'll buy another printer now that the kids are gone. My wife wanted one of those camera photo printers. Until I explained the cost of ink, and that I could get printing done at many places for a tenth of the cost of just the ink. Anyway, the printer ink cartridge "problem" doesn't affect me. But I understand how it does others who choose to print.
....and take the superior alternatives off the market.
What are we up to now ....5 freakin' blades!? And I've yet to use one that was more effective than the old Gilette double-edged single blade adjustable razor with the platinum blades.
We must have the same Makita because I'm still using mine. with only one set of battery replacement over 12 years. The damn thing is a powerhouse for a
Good answers. You got to him first. I don't mind Kodak making a profit off film or HP off ink. It's the partially filled containers that got me particularly when the cost of the contents was not significant.
I have decided to add all cordless tools to the list of SUCKER PRODUCTS. People who buy SUCKER PRODUCTS are truly suckers, and the companies that make and see these products know there is a sucker born every minute. YOU could be one of them.
You might think that $49.99 cordless drill on sale at $39.99 is a bargain, and you quickly open your wallet and dump that amount on the checkout counter.
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I have a Ridgid 18 volt nimh 1/2" hammer drill that I would recommend to anyone. I've drilled thru 18 inches of concrete with a 7/8" bit (1/2" shank) built about 120' of fencing and a 12' x 18' elevated deck.
It's my only cordless tool although I am considering a cordless circular also from ridgid that can use those same batteries. I would think a good cordless circ saw can be useful but dunno about how long a charge would last with them.
How can you buy a gallon of milk that contains half a gallon?
Every container of milk (or propane or paint or whatever) that I have ever purchased was clearly marked with the amount of product in the container. A half gallon of anything clearly marked as a half gallon
- and priced as a half gallon - is a half gallon.
How was I scammed, taken, suckered, or shorted? You can't be "shorted" if you paid for the amount of product that you received. You can't be scammed, taken or suckered if the amount of product is clearly marked on the package, you read said markings and then decide if the price for that amount is appropriate.
Oh, please. The product was priced for the printer and the amount of ink you get with it. There was no promise of any given amount of ink. Consider yourself lucky that you got any ink at all. Consider your glass half full instead of half empty.
You missed my point. If a replacement ink cartridge costs $50, then they would have every right to charge you $25 more for the printer if the cartridge was full vs. half full. If they are already losing (or not making) money on the printer, why should they eat further into their cash flow by giving you free ink?
You said selling a half-full cartridge wasn't a con. I agreed with you. I then said it's a scam, or a take, or a short or a ripoff. Then I said, "How's that?" That was asking if you agreed. Nobody ever gave you alternatives and said, "How's that?" Do you really have trouble understanding that?
How can you buy a 2 ounce ink cartridge containing one ounce?
Look, just about you said "Nothing you said here makes half-filled ink cartridges in new printers a "con"." So you apparently believe - or don't deny - that printers are sold with half-fillled cartridges. So right away toss out all you said about container's "clear markings" indicating content amount. You just said you don't think half-filled cartridges are a con. You're a lonely man on that score.
Dance, dance. I never bought a printer that didn't come with a cartridge, and it was always a full cartridge. But somebody here said they sell them with half-filled cartridges. Harry, it looks like. Believe it or not. I don't know if it's true, and don't care, because I won't be buying printers. Looks like you have some interest in them. If I bought a flashlight with 2 batteries showing in the bubble pack, and later found one "battery" was a cardboard dummy I would be pissed. If I bought a printer where the package said "ink cartridge included" and later found it was only half full I would be pissed. Not you, apparently. You would smile and say "My glass is half full."
Enough. You don't have a point here I'll ever agree with. I'll leave it at that. Besides, it Harry's faut.
I find nothing sneaky about it. They never promised you something and then took it away.
They never implied you'd get X number of pages with the current cartridge.
Let's say they were able to design a 1/2 size cartridge that would fit the printer so you got a "full" container upon purchase. Would that make you (or Vic, who complained about 1 oz in a 2 oz container) happy?
What if they gave you a standard cartridge that was full but increased the cost to account for the extra ink? Would that make you happy?
They gave you X amount of ink along with the printer, an amount of ink that was covered by the price you paid.
Do you get a full set of bits when you buy a drill or do you get some "token accessories" and then have to buy more very soon after purchase?
Do you get a high quality blade when you buy a circular saw or do you get a POS that has to be replaced very soon after purchase?
Do you consider those to be "cons" also?
Bottom line: You got what you paid for. No con, no rip off, no scam.
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