On Dec 26, 4:28 pm, " email@example.com"
To which I have to give the standard tomcat reply- 'Whaddya mean
FIXED? They worked FINE!'
(Yes, I know, if you insist a keeping a cat in an un-natural
environment, you do have to keep them from reproducing....)
Sure there are. Visit any farm or temperate-climate area with
sufficent game to support a reproducing population. Where do you think
the Egyptions or whoever got theirs? Just like dogs and humans bonded
for hunting purposes, cats and humans bonded for rodent control
purposes. The 4-legged ones that hung around with humans ate better,
and were more successful at passing their genes on. Some animal
shrinks claim that domesticated dogs and cats suffer from arrested
adolesence, since humans dote on them, and the ones that act like wild
animals get expelled or killed. And yes, their life in the wild is
shorter and nastier. If humans hadn't mostly eliminated wolves and
other predators, there would be no feral cat/dog problem.
You recall the Bible story of Joseph who predicted seven bountiful years
followed by seven lean years thereby encouraging Pharaoh to store up grain?
The Egyptians were the first to practice large-scale agriculture and, to
store up the harvest, they had to have granaries. The goddamn (Ra-damned?)
mice began eating the grain as fast as the Egyptians could store it!
Then some enterprising soul brought to Egypt a critter known as an "African
Tree Cat," which promptly set about catching mice. The African Tree Cats
caught a LOT of mice. So much so the Egyptians deified the cat, calling the
new god "Bastet."
Mummified cats are quite commonly found in Egyptian tombs.
what kind of fence to you have to contain your cat? one of mine, which was
declawed when i got him, could scale an 8' block fence without problems. he
used to sit on top of the fence and drive the lab next door crazy.
Standard four foot chain link fence and I've added another four feet
or so of Home Despot green chicken wire of some sort. The secret is
that the top foot or so is bent in at a 45° angle. They can climb up
but climbing around that infacing tilt isn't so easy. Folks sell
fences for this purpose (http://www.catfencein.com ) but I saw what
they did and did the same thing for a lot less money. Their's is nicer
I didn't go the razor-wire route; we don't want the neighbors thinking
that we're running some sort of penal colony.
I have one part of the fence hinged so the enemy cats that get in can
get out before I let mine out. That's another reason I don't put in
the cat door - I'd have to leave the escape route closed and
confrontations would result. My alpha goes after any other cat that
comes near the yard. Very territorial that one.
Oh, it isn't impossible for cats to get out even if the opening is
closed. There are four evergreens that have grown over the top of the
fence, and I've seen other cats shoot up the trees and right over the
fence when I enter the yard. Two of my cats have even gotten on top of
the fence that way but they never did it again - I guess they forgot
or just don't want to leave that badly.
I also have collars on the cats with a tracking device
(www.loc8tor.com) which comes in handy when I need to find them - more
often inside the house or yard than outside. I do have one recent
addition that I pulled off the street named Scooter who still has OUT
priviliges. He'll sometimes go out the front door in the morning when
I feed the strays (they're his buddies) and decide not to come back in
when I leave for work. I've used the loc8tor to track him down a few
That's actually why I took in Scooter. He kept trying to come into the
yard when my cats were back there and did it a few times. He is
incredibly friendly and must have been inside at one time and saw an
opening. I finally decided that I'd better have them become housemates
rather than enemies. It hasn't really worked out quite that well, he's
still the odd-cat-out most of the time but they usually don't hiss at
each other anymore.
You can't really count on the loc8tor too much though since the
collars are the break-away type; anything else is too dangerous for a
cat. There have been at least three occasions where he's come back
without the collar and I've always tracked it down later. Cool toy.
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:49:11 -0600, " firstname.lastname@example.org"
Sort of like Christianity set back western civilization for a few
hundred years, nothing like a few dark ages. Religion does that. But
of course, what really caused most of the problems were (sorry Harry)
the British. After all, it was the British (and US of course) that put
in Saddam, and the Shah in Iran. What we get now is referred to as
I watched a documentary that had some information about Brazil and it
described Brazilian natives being so impressed with the early Christian
missionaries that they wanted their power so they ate them. :-)
1. "Wild" and "domestic" are not exclusive. "Wild" and "domesticated" might
be. Just as domesticated cats can go feral (or start out that way), wild
cats can, and were, domesticated.
All of the cats we have today in the West originated with the Egyptians
domesticating an African wild cat (Felis silvestris lybica). Domestic cats
in other parts of the world had a slightly different ancestor.
II. Animals DO exhibit some of the same emotions as do two-leggers. The same
parts of their brains are excited with the same stimuli that causes emotions
in humans. The more primitive emotions lie in the Lymbic System, whose basic
functions can be remembered by the four Fs: Flight, Feeding, Fighting, and
Consider the following:
STATE OF ILLINOIS
SPRINGFIELD, April 23, 1949
To the Honorable, the Members of the Senate of the Sixth-sixth General
I herewith return, without my approval, Senate Bill No. 93, entitled, "An
Act to Provide Protection to Insectivorous Birds by Restraining Cats." This
is the so-called "Cat Bill." I veto and withhold my approval from this Bill
Furthermore, I cannot agree that it should be the declared public policy of
Illinois that a cat visiting a neighbor's yard or crossing the highway is a
public nuisance. It is in the nature of cats to do a certain amount of
Also consider the owner's dilemma: To escort a cat abroad on a leash is
against the nature of the cat, and to permit it to venture forth for
exercise unattended into a night of new dangers is against the nature of the
The problem of cat versus bird is as old as time. If we attempt to resolve
it by legislation why knows but what we may be called upon to take sides as
well in the age old problems of dog versus cat, bird versus bird, or even
bird versus worm. In my opinion, the State of Illinois and its local
governing bodies already have enough to do without trying to control feline
For these reasons, and not because I love birds the less or cats the more, I
veto and withhold my approval from Senate Bill No. 93.
ADLAI E. STEVENSON, Governor
It is in the nature of cats to do a certain amount of
What you're telling me is you have no responsibility for the damage
that your cat may cause on other people's property, because it is the
cat's nature to do so.
If that is really the case, then cat ownership should simply be
prohibited, because there is no way to manage it responsibly.
However, there are plenty of cat owners who ARE responsible and who do
not let their cats roam the neighborhood unattended, at risk to
themselves and causing harm to the neighbors.
Much as I like horses, cows, and dogs, I don't want your animals in my
yard, and it isn't my job to keep them out. Why should cats be any
Very simply, keep your cat out of my yard. If you can't figure out
how to do that, then you shouldn't own a cat.
Every neighborhood is different. Different feel different type of people
Now, I can understand a cat howling at night, and an owner has
responsibility here. But a neighborhood where cats can't cross through
your yard is way too uptight for me. I know of no laws that prohibit that.
There's a lot of unregulated animal behaviour going on out there. Get
No, Adali Stevenson - twice Democratic nominee for President (against
Eisenhower) and governor of Illinois is telling you that, not me.
No, under the civil law your open, unfenced, yard is known as a
"constructive nuisance." Further, it is much the same as an unfenced
swimming pool, or in the law, a PIT.
You are responsible for any damage to your property when its very being
entices a child - or a cat.
At least those are the points that could be made in a civil trial.
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