California to slay the vampire

Spoken like a true environmental extremist, with no regard for the folks that are struggling in this economy, driving 40 miles to work. I bet you have a solution to that too, more big govt programs handing out money. It's positions like that which just totally discredit most of the environemtalists and leads people to tune them out.

It was made by you, unless someone else has been typing at your keyboard:

"Imagine how low the price of electricity would be in Texas if they were as diligent about conservation as California "

That is taken into account with the charts showing the AVERAGE price paid state wide. And someone here posted that the 11c rate in CA is for people using a very low amount of electricity that is unrealistic. So, tell us your power company and how much you use so we can see how real that 11c rate is. You know what I'm betting.....

Actually, it's not legal. The law banning them was NOT repealled. A new bill was signed into law that bans ENFORCEMENT. It's like saying the speed limit on this street by law is 40, but we're not going to enforce it for a year.

It's an example of the govt trying to force consumers to behave the way they want. I suppose you'd tax french fries and hamburgers too, if you could. But if you libs hop on a jet for Europe, or Disneylan, all the fuel and pollution that spews is cool, right?

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You think just MAYBE the fact that TX uses more electricity per capita is due to factors like they actually have industries that use more electricity? Industries that actually build products, using energy? For example, when is the last time Intel built a fab in CA? Answer, a very long time ago. How many fabs do they have operating in CA? Answer: none I do know of one new fab built there: Solyndra. $700mil and it was obsolete before it opened. Shows you that the smart businessmen know not to locate in CA, while the shysters taking govt money are either totally stupid or just don't care because it's doomed to fail anyway.

Also I would suspect that states that have their population more widely distributed across the stat

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:01:55 -0800 (PST), " snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net" wrote Re Re: California to slay the vampire:

Well said.

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Caesar Romano

And this from a country that is willing to pay $8/gallon for bottled water?

which in no way invalidates my claim, although I should have made it clearer to you that we were discussing California and it's conservation practices. But to reiterate my point when conservation is discussed in California, it's about avoided costs, not lower rates

I've already posted the base-line and over base-line rates and they are clearly not for extremely low usage houses. but feel free to peruse smud.org

The law made the manufacture of 100 watt bulbs "illegal" not the purchase or possession of them

no, it's an attempt to make those that want to indulge in conspicuous consumption pay for it. Why should I have to pay higher prices for fuel because some group of people use more than their "fair share"

They already are. So is alcohol and tobacco

nice attempt to change the topic with your anti-lib logic.

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

In article , " snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net" wrote:

So you think that CA only has beaches and farms?

California is the nation's leading industrial state, ranking 1st in almost every general manufacturing category: number of establishments, number of employees, total payroll, value added by manufacture, value of shipments, and new capital spending. Specifically, California ranks among the leaders in machinery, fabricated metals, agricultural products, food processing, computers, aerospace technology, and many other industries. With its shipyards, foundries, flour mills, and workshops, San Francisco was the state's first manufacturing center. The number of manufacturing establishments in California nearly doubled between 1899 and 1914, and the value of manufactures increased almost tenfold from 1990 to 1925. New factories for transportation equipment, primary metal products, chemicals and food products sprang up in the state during and after World War II. Second to New York State in industrial output for many years, California finally surpassed that state in most manufacturing categories in the 1972 Census of Manufacturers. California's industrial workforce is mainly located in the two major manufacturing centers: almost three-fourths work in either the Los Angeles­Long Beach­Orange County area or the San Francisco­Oakland­San Jose area. Although the state workforce has a wide diversity of talents and products, the majority produces food, electronic and other electrical equipment, transportation equipment, apparel, and fabricated and industrial machinery. Computers and aerospace manufacturers stand out among California's largest publicly owned corporations. Hewlett-Packard, Sun Microsystems, Tandem Computers, Varian Associates, and Silicon Graphics are leading names of the Silicon Valley (Santa Clara County) area just south of San Francisco. Southern California's manufacturing leaders are Rockwell International, Lockheed, Northrop, and Computers Sciences. Leading manufacturers on the list of California private companies are Levi Strauss, Del Monte, Sunkist Growers, and Ernest and Julio Gallo Winery, showing the continuing strength that the Golden State has historically maintained in apparel and food production and processing. Apparel manufacturers employed over

144,000 people in 1999. Over $50 billion of food products is shipped annually. The aerospace industry in California accounts for $28 billion in sales annually, employs about 117,000, and takes up a 20% share of the nation's total aerospace employment. In 1999, California's motion picture industry, based primarily in Los Angeles, had receipts of at least $28 billion. In 1999, the film and TV production industry generated an annual payroll of $13.4 billion and pays $14.6 billion to suppliers while providing jobs to 475,000 Californians. The tourism industry in California brings in over $60 billion in sales annually, and provides jobs for nearly 700,000 Californians. Earnings of persons employed in California increased from $627 billion in 1997 to $677 billion in 1998, an increase of 7.9%. The largest industries in 1998 were services, 32.4% of earnings; state and local government, 11.4%; and durable goods manufacturing, 11.1%. Of the industries that accounted for at least 5% of earnings in 1998, the slowest growing from 1997 to 1998 was state and local government, which increased 5.5%; the fastest was durable goods manufacturing, which increased 10.9%.

For example, when is the

When was the last time an ag processing facility was built in Texas?

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

What a stupid statement, even for you. I don't use 25gal of water to get to be able to collect a paycheck each week.

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krw

If I understood what that meant, I wouldn't compare Enron to Soladyne

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

I guess you read about as well as HarryK.

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