Bridge collapse

Was that built by the same DEI company that built the bridge that fell down before it was even used?

Hmmmmm...

I thought of that too. I think without reading your post or anything else that suggested it.

You seem to know a lot about it. Yes, they don't allow hazmats in the 2 current tunnels.

I don't know if that would work. Other people would know how many such trucks there are each day, how much they weigh, etc.

I don't know if Scott is right about the higher price, but even if so, it might be more than made up for if it can be ready sooner. I was not here then but the current two tunnels were not, for the most part, drilled. They were pre-made tubes that were lowered to the bottom, weighed down, and buried. It sounds like making the tubes themselves would take up the most time, but they could perhaps be made on several 'assembly' lines at once.

"The [harbor] tunnel opened on November 29, 1957, with a dedication by Maryland Governor Theodore McKeldin and a crowd of 4,000 spectators. The initial toll for standard cars was 40¢. In the first 12 hours of operation, the tunnel handled an estimated 10,000 vehicles, mostly drivers from Maryland. In the same period, the tunnel also experienced its first collision (15 minutes after opening), first flat tire and first stalled vehicle." LOL

At the Lincoln and Holland tunnels in NYC they keep a tow truck parked at the exit for times like this. Don't konw about Baltimore, where I have taken the tunnels a total of one time each. When i worked at Beth Steel I used to take the bridge twice a day most work days.

rbowman wrote on 3/27/2024 9:20 PM:

There were no such thing as DEI in 1981 when the condo was built. Ronald Reagan was president.

rbowman wrote on 3/27/2024 9:23 PM:

What's your point? You think they would have survived the fall and not drown after falling from that height if they were white?

Have you ever piloted a boat? At lower speed it may have been more of a danger and less maneuverable. The rudder requires motion to make the vessel turn. Tides and currents are factors also.

Tug may or may not have helped, depending on timing and staging.

The benefit of a college education? I think I never would have left my house again.

I believe Buttigieg has said he doesn't know of any bridge that could withstand a similar hit. The energy is huge. Unless the barrier extended far from the piers (to gradually slow) the barrier would put a huge dent in the ship (which requires a less large barrier that won't move, perhaps made of unobtainium). You can't suddenly stop the ship.

May be more practical to require tug boats accompany large ships. Lower speeds (was going about 9 mph)?

"When an irresistible force such as [a ship] meets an old immovable object like [a bridge]...."

They aren't actually stupid enough to have him.

Clearly Chernobyle and that f****ng great ship the russians can never manage to keep working for long weren't.

Anyone know if the Dali has horizontal thrusters? Of course, in a total power failure, they wouldn't work; but having them would assist maneuverability at lower speeds.

And ten? times as long to complete??

Speculation that dropping the anchor actually contributed to the ship hitting the pillar as the current swung the ship in line with the current from the anchor point - basically "weathercocking" it right into the bridge - without dropping the anchorit MAY have made it through, or it may have sideawiped the pillar - but if they had NOT dropped the anchor and still hit the bridge the pilots would have DEFINITELY been found neglegent - so they dropped the anchor. A ship without power basically has no rudder if it is not moving faster than the current.

Certainly! Didn't you ever watch Superman? I am curious if people filling potholes at 3AM could produce a green card on demand.

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 21:45:55 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:

Lipstick on a f****ng pig...

rbowman wrote on 3/28/2024 4:53 PM:

Basically those laws were for anti-discrimination against hiring women and blacks, but there were hardly any woman and black that was available to fill the jobs that require higher education and skills.

Although I am not American, our Canadian laws closely keep pace with our American counterpart. I remember even in the 1980s women and blacks couldn't pass easily in math and science, so the university changed the achievement evaluation system into "percentile" grading, meaning that they would take the average test results of all the students in the course, and you would pass if you were not near the bottom of the class. The result is that even if all the students were stupid, there would still be students who would get A's and B's in their course.

I remember there were only 5 females in a class of more than 100 students in my engineering course in early 1980s.

And then there were enough female graduating from higher education to start making inroads into traditionally high-pay male jobs. I wonder if you remember the grumbling about women taking men's jobs in late 1980s. I remember snide remarks like "she must have a pens!".

The above is mainly about the "Equity" part.

Now let me look at the "Inclusion" part. Even Obama was telling the gay soldiers "Don't show. Don't tell".

My conclusion is that "Inclusion" is a relatively new phenomenon.

The chronological order is "Equity" first. Female is 50% of the population. Women started barging into men's good-job market in the late

It does have them, but apparently with the loss of power they were unavailable in "the moment of need"...

I'm a bit surprised by that. Sure, loss of power by the main engine is a problem, but I'd have thought there would be a secondary source for things like rudder or even thrusters.

Just like manufacturing plants. We always had two boilers, two compressors, etc. Rare we ever had to 100% stop, aside from a flood and a fire.

Word was they "lost all power".

Correct, that is my point. That should not be able to happen. IMO, it is a design flaw to not have at lease some redundancy. If the engine in your car fails, you can still steer and brake, though it may take more effort.