Great Caesar's Ghost! Why didn't I think about that? I think 14/2 UF with
ground should be more than enough to power some LED lawn and spot
lighting, But there's an additional payoff with going DC (someone correct
me if I am wrong). There's no RF interference on a video feed from a
parallel DC power cable. It's the AC 60 sine wave that causes the video
interference. Two birds killed with one stone.
BSSF, sir. I thank you! (Best Suggestion So Far)
You probably just need cable rated for underground use. I asked our phone
company what wire to use and they gave me a couple hundred feet for free.
Really surprised me.
If your original wires were in PVC conduit, it should be a simple matter to
pull in new cable as you pull out the old.
Of course, I now get my phone service through our cable internet, and the
individual phones are wireless. We don't even use the old phone wiring
Wow, if water kills your phone line, it must be really hard on DSL on
the same line.
I have about 20 feet of my phone line, mostly 4-conductor round while
wire, open to the rain, and maybe that's what's been causing internet
Oh boy. That might put the kibosh on the digger. Rock'r'Us if you know
what I mean.
That means it's not likely I'll be able to use PVC conduit although I didn't
have plans to. It sounded like a good idea but I don't see having to rewire
it during my lifetime.
I have been considering solar-powered lightning instead of running a cable
but I have yet to see the solar powered light that I thought was worth a
I thought about the backhoe and just hiring an excavation company to do the
job. Someone said if I was flexible about when they did it, I could save a
lot of money. Not sure if that is true but I guess they might have
unplanned down time they'd like to fill by digging a hole for me.
I would hate to have done it once. I had to dig around some pretty big
rocks to run my sump pump output. I ended up using a piece of rebar and a
sledge hammer to hunt for rocks. Sings out like a carnival attraction when
the rod finally meets a boulder. No kewpie dolls for ringing the bell,
It's fairly easy to add elbows to work around obstacles, but they do make
flexible conduit also.
Of course, there's no need for conduit if you use the proper cable and
bury it deep enough. Conduit is mostly for added protection and/or to
make changes easier in the future.
In my case I was running a 4" drain line to direct water away from our
driveway. The pipe is rigid, straight, and had to have the proper slope
for drainage. I was also working my way around some trees, tunneling
under some large roots.
I didn't have too much trouble till I reached a spot where two huge
boulders (about 4 feet across each) were touching each other under
ground. Thankfully, my planned route went right between the boulders so I
simply busted a bit off the side of each boulder so the 4" drain pipe
would fit through. A lot of work, but everything worked out well in the
I also had to split pieces off several large boulders (larger than my
car) last year so I could build a retaining wall. Our pump house is up on
that hill, so digging the rocks out was not an option. I've gotten fairly
good with a rotary hammer and feathers/wedges.
For underground work where you have to weave around rocks, use polyethylene
water pipe to pull the wires through, it will bend around obstructions and
keep the water out. Use shark bite type exterior fittings to connect and
join the pipe to avoid reducing the internal diameter that push-in fittings
will do. You won't have to dig so deep either.
Thanks for the info. I have been looking at something called a "ditch
witch" for rental but it's expensive and like you said it is not easily
transportable. I am also worried what happens if I hit a rock using a
rented tool like that. How much could I be stuck for in a repair bill if I
wreck the cutter? Can you buy insurance from the rental places just in
case? I've never rented a tool in my life so I really don't know what's
On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 2:55:48 PM UTC-4, Texas Kingsnake wrote:
I've rented many tools and have never been offered an insurance plan.
If you break it, you have to pay to fix it. And your concern is valid.
I would think they are pretty tough and a typical rock isn't going to
bust it, but depending on how many you have, who knows.... And if you
bust it, you're at a disadvantage. The rental company is goind to fix
it and come up with the repair price. If it's unreasonable, you can
dispute it, take them to small claims, etc, but it could become a hassle.
I've never had that experience. Only once when renting a slice seeder
from HD, the guy accused me of not cleaning it off and wanted to charge
me $25 extra. I had washed it off, I just somehow missed one clump of
dirt on the bottom. I had to get a manager over and then they relented.
I don't have a lot of experience with NEC, but
my gut sense is following NEC will result in a
safe and reasonable result, in most cases.
Christopher A. Young
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Depends on where you live.
I live in the CO Rockies and we are in the middle of digging up our
entire 300 unit snowbird park for a new sewage system. The biggest
problem is the rocks. This entire valley is an ancient river bed and
one WILL stumble on smooth round river rocks tha size of a Ford
Exhibition, six ft or six inches under the surface. We have explosive
ordnance experts to deal with the really big boulders.
Bring the biggest backhoe you can afford. We have dozens working,
here. Everything from huge Cat's to itty-bitty Bobcat's. It's like a
used backhoe lot. Volvo's, Kamatsu's, Deere's, etc. If a bigger
backhoe is needed, it's get's trucked in. No one is going out with a
pick n' shovel and digging any 10 ft deep trenches anytime, soon. I
My first job, after the service, was as a ditch digger. Swimming pool
plumbing ditches. Four foot deep in hardpan. At least a pick will
break up hardpan. But, the best pick in the world isn't gonna do spit
to a 20 ft diameter granite boulder. 8|
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 10:45:41 -0400, "Texas Kingsnake"
You can rent a ditch witch trencher. I suppose a lot depends on what
the soil is like.
Burial depth really depends on where this is. The basic rule is direct
burial cable (UF) is 24", PVC conduit is 18" if this is not below a
There is an exception for 15 and 20 amp 120v on a residential
property, that is GFCI protected at the source ... 12 inches. (cable
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