Is there a trick to sinking posts in the ground?
If I didn't have this forum to ask, I'd put the
3x4 in a garden tin and let the cement set some
place where I could nail it up overnight and then
put the tin in the ground and cement around it.
A tree house for cats, actually for my wife, for her cats.
She saw something on the internet with 4x4 with 'branches'
made of 4x4 slanted upward with cat houses on the ends
of the 'branches. A little embarrassing.
Don't be embarrassed. I'm owned by two Siamese.
The 4X4 for this use, would not need to be in cement, with normal soils.
It should be treated or rot resistant wood. Remember if it is treated, to
make sure the treatment does not make it dangerous to the cats.
No less than 20% (30% is good) of the post must be underground. If the
soil does not have good drainage, then add about 6 inches of gravel under
the post (yea, that means the hole has to be that much deeper.
If I remember correctly, when we were building our deer fence many years ago
(5' high above ground) we dug a post hole about 12-18" deep. set the post
in the hold and surrounded with gravel or cement, depending on if it was a
corner or main support. Leveled it and braced it with 2X4's nailed to
stakes driven in close by. Didn't take much time or effort - took longer to
dig the hole.
To set posts in the ground I recommend renting a gas powered auger. Dig
the holes deep enough that the post end is below the frost line. The depth
of the hole is also affected by the use of the posts but figure around 25%
of the post should be buried. If drainage is a problem put gravel in the
hole before you put in the post. Now put in the post and use a couple of
2X4's to hold the post straight. Make sure that the post is aligned with
the other posts and is not tilting. Fill the hole with cement leaving about
6 inches from the top. After the cement is set and cured finish filling the
hole with dirt
Then check with the wife. Remove the posts. Put the posts where she
wants them. Repeat until the divorce decree is finalized.
Posts should be set so that the post end is below the frost line, however
where there is no frost, they should be set with 1/4 to 1/3 of the post
below ground or there will be a risk of wind blowing the fence over
especially if the wind cannot blow easily through the fence.
Is a one man auger useable and safe? It would be cool to have a
base where the 4x4 could be removed leaving the cement post
hole. I do make things more difficult than they need to be sometimes.
I'll second that, and add this: in moist clay soil, you're far, far better off
to dig postholes by hand with a clamshell-type post hole digger -- augers just
screw down into the soil. They don't have a reverse setting. And it's a royal
pain to pull one back up.
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss
we have a bulb planter (~3" auger goes to a BAD (Big a$$ drill) and it
does that if you try to go too fast... (my wrists lament the fact)
I can imagine what it'd be like with a post hole digger...
Verso l'esterno! Verso l'esterno! Deamons di ignoranza.
I'm not sure about that frost line requirement. I live in Minnesota, and
our frost line is 48". There is no way we bury fenceposts that deep. We
had a fence contractor put up fence for us about 10 years ago. Part of the
run was 6' cedar, and part was 4' chain link. The 4X4 fence posts for the
cedar fence were not 10' long. If I recall, everyone who did fence bids for
us used the standard 1/3 below 2/3 above. So our 6' cedar posts were buried
2' below grade and cemented in place, so total post length was 8 feet. I
think that the chain like posts were also buried 2', so the total post
length was maybe 6'.
This fence has no heave problems at all.
When I build my deck, we needed to pour footings 48" deep, but that is for
decks and the like.
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:21:24 -0800, "Not so quick"
I installed a PT wood 4x4 for my mailbox 12 years ago and it is still
as strong as ever. I used a post-hole digger to get a 2' deep hole,
dumped in a half bucket of gravel, set in the post, nailed in 2 stakes
and sticks to hold the post plumb, and filled the hole with concrete.
I mounded the cement to help shed water.
I have read not to use concrete, just use gravel. The concrete may
rot a wooden post.
Yust a thought, if you plan on renting an auger, 1 person or 2, please do
your self and anyone near you a favor, contact MissUtility to determine if
you have any buried utilitys where you plan to dig.
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