My collegue has an interesting story... 8yr old Bryant NG furnace was
failing to ignite... the Pro (from the company that installed it) came
in and changed the ignitor which didn't help.. claimed that the heat
exchanger must be cracked (?) and would cost $2000 for repair.
Collegue asks me about it--I suggested he look into the warranty... he
discovers that Bryant will cover much of the cost (minus $600). As
soon as he calls the pro back about this, the pro suggests he'll come
back and try something simpler first to help my collegue save money...
Comes over and changes a burner--"sealing it well"--and charges $80.
He says the company policy is to charge "Top Shelf Pricing" first then
This is the kind of BS that keeps people from trusting the "pros".
It's COMPANY POLICY for Christ's sake.
The "tech" lied in the first place when he said the Hx must be
cracked. Then you choose to believe him when he says something is
company policy? Why? Never mind, you don't need to answer. You
believe him because it fits your world view.
Your colleague should call the company directly. He should talk with
the right end of the horse and raise cane.
You can\'t direct the wind, but you can
adjust your sails.
What I want to know is what would the guy had done when the HX was swapped
out and it *still* didn't work?? and how much more was that company gonna
try and steal from the guy.
The next question is, how much in commission and spiffs does the tech get??
Sounds like the company was gonna charge the guy full freight for the new HX
then collect on the warranty claim too.
In my mind, thats just wrong.
You know very well that the customer pays for all of our company expenses,
including the cost of training our technician's............or lack of.
Nevertheless, the customer pays for everything!
Good point. And you're right--it is a stupid assumption (what he said
about the policy).
My "world view" is one of caution and skepticism--questions being more
important than answers. Many people share this same view--it is simply
a recognition of the selfishness of human nature.
You know what's the funniest thing to me? "Independence" and doing it
on your own is the classic definition of the "American Way"... but when
it comes to actually trying to learn and do something on your own,
there's much talk about leaving it all in the hands of others who
"know". Hey, the British were doing government far longer than the
first Americans--you may even say that the Brits were the "pros". Why
Carful Dan, mentioning DIY here on alt.hvacv !! You're just asking to have a
TROLL jump out and flame your A$$ !!
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Ever hear of a second opinion?? You think there are only incompetents in the
trades? Please.... What do you do for a living Dan? There isin't a
prefession without a dumbass in it.
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My collegue asked for a second opinion--he asked me.
Let's say that at least half of all tradesmen are not out to do their
best for you (our buddy Mike Holmes claims 9 out 10). How much money
would you have to spend and how many people to call in to get the right
I'm sure there are many true professinoals--but it seems that there are
many MORE BS guys... and that's in every skill/trade/profession... even
And they're not all incompetent--in fact, I suspect that most rip offs
are done by competent people who know exactly what they're doing... the
dumbass tries to do it right but rips you off sort of by mistake, no?
Every time a question comes up about something technical, the common
answer is "call a pro" or get a pro to come over and check it out.
Anyone who does so automatically becomes "gullible"--by asking a pro to
come over, you put the power in his/her hands to make the call.
My colleque obviously was suspicious. He asked me about it before
committing to the repair. As for me, I would not have called the guy
in the first place... I'd post a question here, I'd do some googling,
I'd read the manuals, I'd ask around--only if I could not solve it and
it was getting serious (ie. need heat) would I "give up" and call
someone--all this not to save money but to avoid being ripped off.
The problem is, it comes back to a little knowledge being a dangerous
There are too many variables that a non-pro isn't aware of, and attempting
to fix a gas-burning appliance yourself could go right for you, or it could
go wrong in a hurry.
That's why we've got such great guys on this newsgroup to help prevent
exactly that! hehehe
But seriously, with all these safeguards and sensors on these new
appliances, I would imagine it would be pretty hard to blow it up, no?
The problem is that a homeowner would not be aware of known issues with
some heat exchangers, gas valves, limit switches, etc....tell-tale warning
signs to those in the know.
Simply replacing a failed limit isn't going to solve the problem of a
separated heat exchanger that may be spewing carbon monoxide into the
Re-lighting a pilot that keeps going out isn't going to fix a crack in the
exchanger that causes it to blow out when the fan comes on...
things like that.
I know where to look for signs of over-heating on a Keeprite Mid....Joe
Simply addressing the failure won't always solve the underlying cause.
You need to be in the trade to be up on the causes of many of these things.
Yes there are many variables but it is up to individual to decide
if he or she should attempt to try to fix it or not, we are not God
to say one way or the other if he screw it up can blame no one
but himself and that goes for any type of equipment.
Dido say that
HAPPY NEW YEAR to ALL
So how many of you when you first got in the business made mistakes? I
burned the hair off the back of my hand once on an old wall heater with
a delayed ignition problem. But I made sure it was working right before
I left the customer.
Last time I burned the hair off my hand, it was lighting a
charcoal grill. Over at a friend's house. I took a five galon
blue container clearly labelled "KEROSENE" and poured some on.
Reached over, flicked a lighter on it, and discovered that wasn't
kerosene. Now, who the heck would do that to little old me?
Man, talk about getting flamed!
But like you say, make sure it works right before you leave.
Christopher A. Young
You can\'t shout down a troll.
Most people (with senses) can easily smell the difference between kero and
gasoline and would have enough brains not to light. Except of course for the
Just when I thought SOME of your posts showed you maybe are not a complete
idiot as these guys are saying, you prove them correct.
I do not work on furnaces with exception of my own
but I do check fuses and the way I do it I put two fingers
across the fuse if my finger smoke I know that I have
open fuse that is the way I make quick check
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