OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small green
babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today, said
she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than mine.
The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or
Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon of
water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look worse
today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? The squash are too far
gone with millions of white fly and borers. The squash crop will be removed
and burned tomorrow. It's impossible to get the sprays under all the many
thousands of leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the three
Marie Dodge;806084 Ok guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly
and their small green
babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today,
she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than
The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or
Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per
water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look
today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? The squash are too
gone with millions of white fly and borers. The squash crop will be
and burned tomorrow. It's impossible to get the sprays under all the
thousands of leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the
sounds lilke u tried almost everything and nothing helped u :(. one
some of the old time gardeners used to use back when they didnt have
bug powders was good old fashioned flour that u use to make bread
try using white flour and see what happens. to what i understand the
ingest the flour but arent able to digest it properly and therefore
die off. good luck. cyaaaa, sockiescat:).
Get a different hobby. If you used that many poisons and are still
infested with insects, you are not very good at gardening. Are you
actually planning on eating that food after you used this level of
Not idiotic at all. If you used three of the most toxic pesticides on
the market properly and you still have problems with major
infestations you are not a very good gardener. That's not an insult,
it seems to be factual based on what you told us here. If you are
such a great gardener don't you know the reason you are getting
infested with insects? An experienced gardener knows it is a problem
with the soil. Address it and you will have better results. However,
when people say they first went the toxic poison route, it tells me
that person is probably lazy and doesn't want to hear anything other
than what they want to hear.
Because I'm basically sick of people and their abuse of poisons and
killing everything in sight. It's disgusting.
Then why did you answer him? Isn't that just continuing to stuff it
up? I've been posting to this newsgroup since 1993 or so. I've
watched it go from basically being a nozzlehead haven to people now
fighting for the natural approach. Isn't that worth a little stuff
now and then? This newsgroup is no longer as friendly to the poison
bunch. The things, they are a changin'.
You are making a difference. I replaced the front yard grass with
california native plants, including a path of dymondia and rosemary. Well
the old grass wasn't done yet and sprouted abundantly because there is no
mulch on the path. I tried hand weeding at first but got discouraged and
asked my landscaper what to do. He suggested something called Fusilade
which is an annual herbicide that supposedly doesn't harm perrenials. I
even bought the stuff but after absorbing the gist of this group, and
reading the label I decided to give hand weeding another go. It took a
while but by concentrating on 2x2 foot squares at a time I was able to weed
then entire path. The fusilade is sitting unopened in my shed. (inside a
locked cargo container for those who care).
So keep it up and don't despair, you are having an effect one person at a
That's a lovely story. It's so easy to take out the chemical help,
and sometimes in the case of bermuda grass it may be the only way to
go. The point is, the "dousing" is coming to a close and people are
being more responsible.
re-reading this, the above isn't fair to my landscaper, who is a respected
california native plant expert and who is I'm sure sensitive to the
herbicide use issue.
I specifically asked him for suggestions on herbicides and he responded. I
didn't give him the chance to suggest hand weeding.
nevertheless alls well that ends well.
Just read an interesting (to me anyway) about chem ferts. Appears
that in 1980, a ton of chem fert/acre would yield 15 to 18 tons of
corn, in 1990 that was down to 5 to 10 tons/acre. So it turns out that
as long as there was organic material to be mined from the soil,
chem ferts looked good. Once the organics are gone, the magic
leaves as well. Not to mention the top soil, water quality, air
quality, biological diversity . . .
That was another interesting point. Apparently, ag scientists
are always creating new resistant plants because the critters
always find away around the plant's defenses (especialy when people
insist on planting thousands of acres of the same crop in the
same place, year after year, after year). Any who, ag scientists need to
trot out a new and improved version every seven years. Where do
these wonder genes come from? (TA DA) Biodiversity. The very thing that
we have lost 75% of in the last hundred years. In southern Mexico,
in a logged out forest, by accident, a cousin of the teosinte plant
was discovered. Which easily hybridizes with corn but is resistant to all
corn viruses. Corn is the number two-o grain crop in the world.
This previously unknown plant may allow us to go on eating. Or it could
have gone the way of many life forms in the tropic, destroyed before it
was even noticed. Some of these biomes are only a few acres.
So yeah. Chem ferts are killing the planet, GMOs don't out produce
natural plants, and in their rush to concentrate wealth, companies, like
Monsanto, are destroying bio-diversity.
Not that whacked out foresters don't do there bit by strip cutting
forests and replanting a monoculture of harvestable trees and call it
restoration (except without the diversity).
To waste, to destroy, our natural resources, to skin and exhaust the
land instead of using it so as to increase its usefulness, will result
in undermining in the days of our children the very prosperity which we
ought by right to hand down to them amplified and developed.
- Theodore Roosevelt
Seventh State of the Union (1907-12-03)
"The number of people out there today seriously worried about the
health of all the plants and seeds on which modern agriculture depends
must be very limited, and the number of people actively campaigning to
protect them vanishingly few. ... Of the Earth's 250,000 plant species,
only 200 are cultivated for food on any serious scale."
"Even more extraordinary, the vast majority of the world's food comes
from just 20 crops, in just eight plant families. Most of these
monocultures are dangerously vulnerable to diseases (both old and new),
pest infestations, and a rapidly changing climate."
"Yet the "genetic pool" on which plant breeders might need to draw to
build resistance and adaptability is being constantly eroded as older,
non-commercial varieties disappear. ..."
"[S]eed banks can only do so much in this massive salvage operation.
The seeds they store need to regularly germinated, otherwise they too
die. The best way of maintaining an active and vibrant seed bank is to
ensure that farmers (and gardeners) are planting out those 'land races'
and rare varieties of plants which are now so endangered."
"More often than not, that sets small-scale, subsistence farmers (on
whom this kind of "active conservation" depends) in conflict with the
juggernaut of industrialised, intensive agriculture.""
~~Jonathan Porritt, founder and director of Forum for the Future, in
the Nov. 7, 2007 edition of BBC News
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:53:17 -0500, Charlie wrote:
Oh Molly...what a gal. When Air America first went on the air down
here in Austin, Al Franken did that first show from the State Theater
and we waited on line starting at 3am to get in. One of his guests
was Molly Ivans. I loved her name for our current governor, "Rick
'Good Hair' Perry." She looked so thin and sick when we saw her and I
saw the writing on the wall, then not long after she died.
I guess the issue of ignorant people can get me pretty pissed off. I
wish for and aspire to react without anger, but I have not mastered
that concept yet! I'm better than I was.
My new thing is people who are aways aghast at bad language. Who the
fuck are they kidding? White tower syndrome I suppose.
BTW and not germane to the discussion at all.
I owe you an apology and so offer it.
If you know what for, let it go an mention it not.
If you know not what for, the same applies.
I was hasty and wrong.
I would suggest that you thoroughly wash the bugs off with a soapy water
spray and regularly continue doing that for the rest of the season.
You're crops may be significantly reduced this year, but I doubt if you
will loose the lot. It's what makes gardening so challenging!
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