Thanks for the kind words... maybe next time you guys can be nicer.
not the only one asking questions here.
People don't appreciate being spoken to like you guys did (Val and
You guys are very rude
You aren't of any help to yourself. Remember your original message? Here it
is, in case you were hoping nobody noticed how dumb it was:
"hey. can anyone here help me with viticulture?"
Help you with what, you twit?
Hey, I have to agree with Josi on this one. She just asked a simple
question and did not get a nice answer in return. It's not like she
was posting spam or being impolite. Personally, i would have
responded, but I don't have any experience in that area. I'm wish
that people could ask questions without having to worry that they may
receive condescending remarks for their efforts.
That's my 2 cents.
I don't know what aspect of viticulture the OP was interested in. I
think people are right that the original question was too vague.
However, why not start with the assumption that the OP may be
inexperienced in posting questions, rather than jumping to the
conclusion that it's an attempt to stir other people up?
I like that other people have asked for more specifics. It gives the
OP a chance to rephrase her original question, and also get some
answers. We're here to share and learn right? Not to mock others for
what they don't know.
We have 2,000 grape plants so I could give you some help on some aspects of
viticulture, BUT, you didn't mention where you live and since posters here
are from all round the world and we can't give advice without knowing
something about your climate, aspect, planting area etc or what you want to
know about viticulture, why would anyone bother? Either put some thought
into the question about the sort of advice you are really seeking or go to a
library or try google.
Thank God, a thoughtful way of saying you're question is so vague it
No need to be overly rude to the OP. Their question was indeed vague but
I'd chock that up to inexperience with news groups.
That's a difference of opinion, I guess. My opinion is that the OP does the
exact same thing in face to face discussions. It has nothing to do with
newsgroups. There's no reason to believe she's different because this is a
JSB you were a little harsh. Yes more thought could have, should have, been
put into the question but give the OP a chance. We really don't know anything
about him/her, could be a person who has reason to not know how to ask.
The most highly regarded teacher in my high school was the one who would
NEVER put up with a question like the OP asked. I'm in my 50s now, but ten
years after graduating, I'd run into classmates now and then, and the
discussion would eventually turn to that teacher, and how she taught us to
think for ourselves and ask the right kinds of questions. Spoon feeding
people is counterproductive for both parties involved.
By the way, if the OP was serious about the question, she could've ignored
me and come up with a better question. She hasn't done that, even though she
knows there are some easier people here who may help her.
And I've taken viticulture, botany, and have 30 years of experience with
wine grapes, and the OP hasn't responded to my offer either. So I guess
there isn't anything happening here.
To future posters: Sometimes it takes awhile to clearly pose a question
(factors that you hadn't considered, i.e. climate, soil, ect.). Don't
give up when you're criticized. See if there isn't something to be
learned from the criticism, and restate the question.
Nobody gets to adulthood without learning that even simple requests
like "can you give me directions " always has to be qualified with a
destination. And, few internet virgins find their way to newsgroups
first, before learning there are websites and search engines.
OTOH, such fecklessly inadequate queries are frequently used by
trolls to stir up rows among other posters about who was rude etc.
It's reminiscent of a real classic from rec.food.cooking, a year or two ago.
Subject line: Can I make lasagna at home?
Body of message: How?
Not a clue as to whether it wanted to know how to make the finished dish, or
the noodles themselves. The OP never returned, but that didn't prevent a
bunch of responses from kindhearted saps who assumed they knew what the
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