Fascist conservatives, when confronted with the truth, resort to the only
thing they know.....violence and declaring war on any convenient target.
I would find harmless name-calling to be much more preferable!!!
You are no doubt still an idiot dick head on a two inch shaft and a
NOTE: Where there is choice, there is responsibility. If
you desire to select from a set of choices, you are
exercising your liberties. It is your duty to select your
You are a liberal if you can identify a brain disorder.
That is a choice. By exercising your liberties to choose,
you are a liberal.
If there are liberals what do you call a person that
is not a liberal?
The answer is DEAD. That person cannot make any
Welcome to the world of brain disorders.
Name calling is a choice. I won't say that it is a responsible
choice. Being bothered by being called a name is a choice
as well. I can't say that is a responsible manner in which to
deal with name calling either.
Ancient wisdom speaking!!! Enjoy responsibly!!!
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They are native birds, fun to watch interact with each other, and they go
after the (stupidly introduced) house sparrows. Not the intellectuals crows
and jays are, but grackles are still OK in my book.
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
Isn't that how we got the starlings (stupidly introduced)?
<<All of the European Starlings found today in North America -- and they number
in the 200 million range -- are descendants of approximately 100 birds
introduced in New York City's Central Park in the early 1890s. A society
dedicated to introducing into America all of the birds mentioned in the works
of Shakespeare set these birds free.>>
I plant sunflowers for sale as cut flowers. about 95% of them face
east-southeast. They do not follow the sun. The ones I plant are the
fancy hybrid pollenless varieties, but the volunteers that spring up
from the neighbors' birdseed do the same thing (There are fewer of them,
so the statistics are less reliable).
It's only too bad Si'alh (Chief Sealth) never gave that speech, which was
a romantic invention concocted by screenwriter Ted Perry, who had looked
up Chief Sealth's speech & assessed it as "simply not very inspiring or
significant" so made one up he liked better, for the 1972 telefilm "Home,"
which was somewhat hippy oriented, & aimed at ecology-minded christian
whites & completely unconcerned with Native Americans.
The fake speech includes such moronic impositions as "I have seen a
thousand rotting buffaloes on the prairie, left by the white man who shot
them from a passing train" when Chief Sealth's stomping grounds were the
east & west side of Puget Sound, & he neither saw prairies of dead
buffalos nor pretended he had, nor in 1854 could he have seen a train; nor
did Sealth know the "web of life" myth which is Greek, though had that
been the only absurdity it could've been chalked up to a translator's
imposition, though in fact it is just Ted Perry writing from a white
cultural basis. Every line of the fake speech is either historically
ridiculously, or portrays Chief Sealth as some kind of Saint Frances idiot
savant, if not merely a third-rate poet suited to one more bad song from
Paint Your Wagon, "I talk to the trees." This fake speech insults
Northwest native peoples, who've tried to no avail to squelch this fake,
but most whites want no part of the real deal, because history is painful
but Popular Romance is a feel-good Par-Tay.
What is preserved of his actual speech can be read here:
It was imperfectly recorded, & he gave his speech in Salish, so the speech
as we have it is a witnesse's after-the-fact reconstruction from notes
taken through a translator. Some historians have complained that even this
"authentic" speech is poorly attested, but it has enough actual
touchstones to the 1850s that it can probably be accepted as being as
close as we'll ever have to hearing Sealth's oratorial strength. It is
horrifying that white america prefers its own modern version which has
been turned into t-shirts, environmentalist posters, greeting cards,
persistantly misattributed for the three decades since it was written,
while Sealth's actual words of peace & sorrow receed from public
knowledge. Why is that awful Ashleigh Brilliant-style fake speech is so
well known, loved, & persistantly quoted, but the disturbingly beautiful
original is not:
"At night, when the streets of your cities & villages shall be silent &
you think them deserted, they will throng with the returning hosts that
once filled & still love this beautiful land. The white man will never be
alone. Let him be just & deal kindly with my people, for the dead are not
Even this moving statement is altered by white interpolations, an
anonymous christian editor adding to a later, revised version the
ridiculous afterthought "Dead did I say? There is no death, only a change
of worlds," completely reversing Sealth's persistant "comparisons" of
conqureror vs native beliefs; one of Sealth's beliefs was that the spirits
of the dead linger in THIS world, not some distant paradise, & this
difference of belief was signal to his 1854 explanation of why these two
cultures had such turmoil between them.
The actual speech speaks to real injustices & inevitabilities & is very
moving in its historical context, permitting a glimpse of a good man who
lived through a challenging time of sorry changes for his people, & still
hoped room might be preserved for his people. The fake speech plays more
generically into a broad liberal white guilt & the exact same kind of
(ultimately racist) Romanticism of the Noble Savage that caused
photographer Edward Curtis to make up his own Indian costumes & require
Indians to wear them before he would photograph them, having absolutely no
interest in their actual lives. The fake speech is a nice paean for the
Sierra Club; the real speech is an unembittered plea for peaceful
co-exsistance with conquerors who had been killing off Sealth's relatives
for several years, for he knew his people could not survive through
When he graciously accepts the offer of reservation life because his
people "are no longer in need of a great country" there is a bit of a
backhanded compliment imbedded in there; when he accepts the alleged
"friendship" of the Great White Father back east (who he thought was still
Geroge Washington), he says how generous this offer is friendship must be
since the Great White Father has so "little need of our friendship." These
are such obviously veiled criticisms of further injustice he is about to
cave in to in order that some of his people might survive, even if only as
"broken bands" grieving over their peoples' burial places. Understanding
Sealth's position gives beauty & weight to his words, but the fake speech
is suited primarily to quotation in Hallmark Cards or as captions in
National Park picture books & tourist pamphlets.
As a great man of peace, Sealth deserves far better than forever to be
quoted for things he never said, that had nothing to do with his life &
the storm he had to bring his people through. His words were prophetic, &
concern the ecology insofar as he saw that not only his people, but also
the very land, were decaying beneath the tread of white conquest, a
madness he blamed on whites' belief that the dead go away to a far
paradise, whereas his own ancestors dwelt in the wild places that were
already in Sealth's day being decimated, the whites permitting nowhere on
earth "dedicated to solitude."
Sealth was liked by whites because he was always placating whites & joined
no rebellions. He was nevertheless brave to give the actual speech he
gave, considering how Quiemuth was stabbed to death in Governor Stevens'
office for attempting peacefully to turn himself over to conquerors, &
when Chief Leschi sued for peaceful negotiations, he was summarily hung
for an invented crime, in a public display of white barbarity the purpose
of which would today be called pure terrorism in both its intent & its
effect. The only good that can be said of white response at that time is
that the white soldiers at Ft Steilacom so respected Leschi as a just
warrior, & knowing that he was not guilty of the crime alleged, would not
permit the territorial governor to have Leschi hanged in the fort,
blocking the gallows to being placed there. It was otherwise an
unitertupted legacy of conquerors' merciless cruelty that Sealth stood
before, accepting humiliation while begging for co-existence, NOT for an
Arbor Day celebration or donations to the Audobon Society.
Visit Chief Sealth's own tribe on the web:
-paghat the ratgirl
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
Mad, I have no idea where some people get their spelling, but here's a
good link explaining the Chief Seattle stuff. I'll refrain from my
own editorializing. http://www.kyphilom.com/www/seattle.html
I love the sentiment, I don't care who wrote it. It is the way we
should all live our lives.
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
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