a substance that provides nourishment essential for growth and the
maintenance of life : fish is a source of many important nutrients,
including protein, vitamins, and minerals.
ORIGIN mid 17th cent.: from Latin nutrient- <<"nourishing">>, from the
Please note, "including protein, vitamins, and minerals. There is no
energy in vitamins or minerals but they are nutrients.
One of my instructors once picked up a round metal trash can and asked
the class what it was. We, enthusiastically said it was a round metal
trash can. Where upon he turned it over and started drumming on it. What
is it?, he asked again. A drum we responded less enthusiastically. The
he sat it up-side down on the floor and sat on it. A thing is only
restricted in our imaginations as to what it is. It is what it does.
N, P, K, C and so on are elements and can be nutrients, except for N
which is pretty much worthless until it is converted into ammonia or
nitrate. C is also pretty inert biologically unless it come as CO2 or
Now, if you want to talk elements, we need to talk electron orbitals,
each of which has a "probability" of being in a particular area at any
given time. For our purposes, I presume you will be prepared to talk
about the s, p, d, and f orbitals next time. P orbitals are particularly
important because they allow for double bonds and aromaticity in
cyclical compounds, like tannins.
80 + or - 10. I would rather discuss quarks and mesons. Then work our way
back to why it is illigal to grow commercial hemp in the USA to relieve the
forest from its hurting extracting procedures. Ben Franklin was a hemp
farmer, why can I not be one? What was really the problem with Ben
Franklin? He watched the lightning raise the hairs on the hemp kite string
as it traveled downward into the Earth, LeMay said Franklin couldn't resist
reaching out to touch the hemp and, as you'd expect, he got a slight shock.
It was not just any string that connected Ben Franklin to the clouds above
for his famous experiment, it was hemp string. George Washington as a hemp
farmer. The writer of the Declaration of Independence grew hemp. THE STORY
OF HEMP IN COLONIAL VIRGINIA, By Herndon. A Dissertation which includes
references to George Washington as a hemp farmer. Excellent history.
Ask yourself this question: How does George Washington get to grow hemp and
not the Curator? It gets to the core of the question, what happened in the
last 200 years that we lost such an important right, namely the control of
agricultural production. This prohibition must come to an end. What an
incredible embarrassment it would be to have to explain to George Washington
and Thomas Jefferson that they would have to pull up their hemp crops, that
would have been the Second American Revolution! Both men were high on hemp
as an important crop to replace and rotate with tobacco. It still is.
We really need to use our minds on something prodcutive. As far as the
table of elements. Its still not a table of nutrients.
Industrial hemp has thousands of uses, from paper to textiles to
biodegradable plastics to health food to fuel. It is one of the fastest
growing biomasses on the planet, and one of the earliest domesticated plants
known. It also runs parallel with the "Green Future" objectives that are
becoming increasingly popular. Hemp requires little to no pesticides,
replenishes soil with nutrients and nitrogen, controls erosion of the
topsoil, and converts CO2 to oxygen very well, considering how fast it
grows. Furthermore, Hemp could be used to replace many potentially harmful
products, such as tree paper (the process of which uses bleaches and other
toxic chemicals, apart from contributing to deforestation), cosmetics (which
often contain synthetic oils that can clog pores and provide little
nutritional content for the skin), plastics (which are petroleum based and
cannot decompose), and more. Hemp was used extensively by the United States
during WWII. Uniforms, canvas, and rope were among the main textiles created
from the hemp plant at this time. Much of the hemp used was planted in the
Midwest and Kentucky. Historically, hemp production made up a significant
portion of Kentucky's economy and many slave plantations located there
focused on producing hemp.
In ref. to latter: A nutrient is a substance used in an organism's
metabolism which must be taken in from the environment. Non-autotrophic
organisms typically acquire nutrients by the ingestion of foods. Methods for
nutrient intake vary, with animals and protists having an internal digestive
system, while plants digest nutrients externally and then ingested.
While kicking around the idea of quarks and their odd flavors may be
interesting, it seems a bit (a whole freakin' lot actually) tangential
to the discussion of plant nutrients and healthy garden soils. Whereas
ionic bonding transports ammonia and nitrates to the root hairs, the
actual transport across the cell membrane requires the making and
breaking of covalent bonds by the appropriate proteins. So where do
quarks come into the conversation? NOWHERE!!!
Or are you asserting that your obfuscation is analogous to my MS Tech
I'll catch you at 4:20 but for now can we please stay on subject?
What is CO2? What is NO3, or NH3? Are these nutrients? Are they
digested externally? Yes, they are nutrients, and no, they aren't
Everything above is correctly identified as myths and totally useless to
someone who wants to adjust their soil to maximize plant health.
Never mind. I can see that the Borg have landed and conversation is
Oh really? maybe we can kick this around. First my concern for the health
of soils is the supply of cellulose. Cellulose provides glucose for many
organisms especially in the soil or more correctly, of the soil. One
problem with most definitions of soil is they forget the enormous amount of
living organisms that make up "HEALTHY" soil.
e.g., just one def. off the internet.
"Soil is the unconsolidated mineral or organic material on the immediate
surface of the earth and serves as a natural medium for the growth of land
Here is another def.
"Dirt, or soil, is made from rocks that break apart or wear away over many
years. This is referred to as weathering. It may take 100 to 1000 years
for 1 cm of soil to form through weathering. Soil also contains air, water,
and humus, the decayed remains of dead animals and plants. Soil can
actually be separated into 5 main parts: humus, clay, silt, sand, and
I prefer this def. Soil is a substance made up of sands, silts, clays,
decaying organic matter, air, water and an "enormous number of living
organisms". Is it alive or dead? Yes, is the answer. We have no word for
a substance that is both living and dead - wood, soil.
Now healthy soil concerns must address an enormous number of living
organisms. Cellulose provides food for many.
OK, back to quarks. Cellulose is atoms of carbon, oxygen and hydrogen.
Atoms are protons and electrons. Protons and electrons are quarks and
leptons. Not that I completely understand it but quarks do play a role in
Something interesting I was studying when I found this out.
Did you know in a sense trees are music? Music is highly ordered waves and
vibrations. Trees are wood, mostly. Wood is cellulose, mostly. Cellulose
is atoms of carbon, oxygen and hydrogen. Atoms are protons and electrons.
Protons and electrons are quarks and leptons. Quarks and leptons are highly
ordered waves and vibrations. Wait a minute!! Music is also highly ordered
waves and vibrations!! Think about it.
Do you talk like this to your clients? Do they come back after you do? Or,
more likely, do they edge away from you slowly and carefully refraining from
sudden movements. I'm not a consulting arborist but I'm pretty sure that
you don't need to delve into quantum physics to practice effective
horticulture. As for trees being music... well ... whatever floats your
1st. I was not talking to you I was speaking to Billy. 2nd I sure do.
Believe it or not some people with an understanding of chemistry do hire
people like me who understand a very little about chemistry to work on their
property. 3rd You reply really does not explain the topic or offer any
incite to the topic. maybe you should comment on something you can offer or
add understanding to. As far as your opinion on waves and vibrations,
thanks for sharing your beliefs. You or anybody offering a servcie have the
right to be ignorant. BTW, what do you mean when you say "practice
effective horticulture"? Just what does that mean? Oh, if they did not
come back they would not be a client.
well if you follow the entire thread you'll note that I recommend that he
seek professional advice. Said professional would have been able to assess
the environmental impact of the propsed path and the legality thereof. Also
if you read that thread you'd see that it wasn't a wetland he was talking
about but an area behind a commercial office block that would flood during
Actually, You are made up of chemicals that were parts of millions of other
plants and animals including donkeys. A product of recycling!
In the sense that donkeys have the breath of life in their nostrils, makes
us very connected.
Did you know Trees and people are about 98% by weight carbon, hydrogen,
oxygen, nitrogen, sulfur, and phosphorus. So what makes us different? The
way the chemicals are connected. A donkey may be a higher %.
Just for the record, when I first joined this group, I thought people
were being unnecessarily harsh towards John and his posts about his
"Tree Dictionary." Having been on the site for a few months now, i
can see where people are speaking out. Frankly, I find his posts
misguided and full of good information mixed in with his own personal
agenda (which doesn't always promote what's best for the original
poster or even relate to their questions.).
I believe the topic in question was pH in soil, not any of the other
topics that have been brought up. I hope that John could stop posting
his "Tree dictionary" and just post his thoughts ONCE on this list.
My vote is that John could start his own group and people could
VOLUNTARILY choose to hear what he has to say rather than have it
forced upon us with every plant question that people post, or his bi-
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