No, I plant shrubs and trees meanly too. Experience has taught me they
do better that way.
I grew trees for 20 years, and have planted out (by hand) literally
thousands in reforesting schemes. In my own garden, I tried the big
hole/compost and peat way, and found they don't do so well. They do far
better if you plant them as small as possible, in a hole as small as
possible (even, just a spade T slit for small bare-root trees), and do
NOT add any organic matter to the planting hole whatever. That
encourages the roots to stay crammed together in the unnaturally rich
confines of the planting hole. Trees establish, grow and thrive best
when their roots are hungry, so quickly strike out far and wide into
undisturbed soil, in their search for food.
So far as sharp drainage requirements go; organic matter holds more
water, like a sponge. So putting a bucketful of peat or OM in a tree
planting hole, means that soil touching the roots will stay wetter. If
you want to create sharp drainage in a naturally damp soil you'd do
better to incorporate stones and pea gravel instead.
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:20:34 +0100, Janet Baraclough
Well, I'm convinced... and pleased that less work appears to be another
benefit. Even what I have been doing has had great results; less
weeds, increased production, increased plant population (which results
in cooler soil temps and a living mulch canopy) and very few bad bugs.
I am looking forward to this. This sounds like it could easily be
implemented on a large scale.
Well... I'm glad my simplistic question has sparked a less is more
conversation. However hard to follow at times that it may be, still
entertaining and informative... And what seems to be helpful to alot of
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:48:22 -0500, Scott Hildenbrand
It sure was helpful and I *will* remember that your question sparked it
all. Perhaps many of my descendants will be appreciative as well.
Funny the effect a small, simple act, or question, can have... and that
is well worth my remembering! This applies to many things.
Care, and thank you Scott
Yep, and because it's feed, there's no tax. Something else I like to pick
up is dry molasses. That's mostly a feel good thing for me, although they
say it stimulates beneficial microorganisms. It has trace elements, but I
like the smell, especially when I play around making aerobic teas.......
Whoa! Aerobic teas... you didn't finish and just left me hangin'!
what? I gotta research this myself?
This has opened up a whole new area of fun.
Does this link provide a good idea of what you are talking about?
They have recipes that add canned mackeral and all sorts of goodies.
Man, we have to be talkin' some seriously good odours!
Yeah, well.......... didn't want to bring out the pro- or anti- zealots
particularly, and it was late. I tried, but deleted whatever else I was
going to say about it. Discussion of tea making makes the discussion of
composting methods pale in comparison.
Yeah, that's the same as one of my links.
Here's another with a list of what's in alfalfa tea, although it's not
aerobic with an air bubbler, and will smell like a cow produced it.
My dad used to empty out his freezer once or twice a year. He is known
to place old fish and other expired food stuffs in large glass
containers which fermented out in the garden. He then mixed a cup or
two with a gal of water which he feed to weak or sickly plants
especially ones with insects. We knew when he worked this magic and did
other things for a day two.
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:47:35 -0400, William Wagner
More good ideas, thanks.
Your Dad sounds like someone I would like to know or have known.
You are fortunate, as are your "boys".
Charlie, listening to Clapton's "Old Love". Perfect day here for slow
In the big picture, something's always food for something else. So,
whatever it was your dad was fermenting, either it was good in and of
itself, or it fed or attracted something that was, most probably.
That's what attracts me to the alchemy of making teas, although I do
prefer the more pleasant smelling kind.
I just can't commit to extended conversations these days, and there was
quite the extended one here in the past on compost teas. I even joined a
Yahoo group about it, and there are some very passionate people researching
the subject, most with some quite interesting contraptions to sell
So, I just enjoy the alchemy, whether it's voodoo or not.
Honor and respect. Relationships. Our blessings come from the
community of the soil organisms and we should be willing to give back
to the community in return for what it has brought forth. I now see
that this is about community and respect. We should be active
partipants in this process, not just takers. We are a part of this
community and our respect and participation is required.
Connectedness. Balance. The soil devours all, yet brings forth all.
It is mystical and magical, this web of interconnectedness that we so
often fail to perceive and respect.
Wow, thanks for the boost.
****** "It is mystical and magical, this web of interconnectedness that we
often fail to perceive and respect."****** -Charlie
And this is most sig worthy!
And thank you for writing so eloquently on a wide range of related
subjects. This place is much more interesting because of your contributions.
Not to put a great deal of significance into where I am now, but my first
memory from childhood is sitting in a bare flowerbed, looking for the
Aw shuck's, I jes' be a simple country boy. Thank you. I'm always
trying to learn from and stimulate, both IRL and in the digital world
Sometimes it just takes different approaches with different folks, eh?
M. Scott Peck wrote, and this is just a paraphrase of the idea, that
marriages, and thus by implication other relationships, only thrive and
grow as a result of friction, that friction stimulates growth and
without this growth the relationship is stagnate and dead. I think
this applies to all other relationships as well, friction coming in
many different forms, some pleasant and subtle and some not, such as my
taking a clue-by-four to sheldon. In our case, yours and mine, we both
have things to learn from one another and the friction is more subtle,
guestioning and ideas that cause a mental friction, of sorts, that
And there you go again, trailing off on a thought with the dots! ;-)
I dunno, if not significant, it seems to be a defining memory at least.
We all have our little guys in here, still directing parts of the show,
I believe. I have come to kinda like my little guy, it's some of the
older guys that I am still having problems with.
Anyhows, back to the "germs"........
I tried something today, alchemy wise, based upon your alfalfa meal
slurry. Last night as I was down in my cups and feeling more than a
little sorry for myself, I decided to collect the results of my crying
in my beer pity party in a bucket. Today I added alfalfa meal to the
Household Compost Activator and applied to the pile. So now it is my
turn, in our Mutual Admiration Society, to give credit to you for
starting me thinking deeply about decomposing and living stuff and the
relationship between life/death produce/waste as applies to soil
structure and life in general.
Which brings to mind this twisted little thought, that rather tickles
me.......when one recycles a part of oneself, through composting
amendments, which is then returned to the garden, to produce a thing
that is consumed.... in essence, this makes one a self-cannibal, neh?
And with that gruesome thought......
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