Rich people drive fancy cars, therefore owning a fancy car makes you rich. So if I go buy a BMW, I'll automatically become wealthy.
Right?
Not a very good example, (I'm sure Billy could come up with something better) as I'm _really_ beat right now. I work nights and I've had a busy morning, but I hope that that gives you an idea.
Fancy cars may correlate with being wealthy, but they don't cause wealth.
Correlation does not equal causation.... but it's a great way to skew statistics to prove nonsense. ;-)
You are absolutely correct that if we all ate plants and grains, there would be a lot more food in the world.
There are figures available that show the amount of grain/plant material consumed to produce a pound of meat, and some livestock are more efficient than others. (I had Ag classes in high school and college and they discussed this topic at length).
That's what somewhat regulates the price of certain meats, along with supply and demand of course, and processing costs.
To date, chicken and turkey are the most efficient converters which is why (along with mass farming practices) those meats are so cheap. Pig is next up which is why I can still get decent pork for under $2.00 per lb. for even the good stuff.
Beef is getting to be somewhat out of my reach. I only eat beef maybe once per week, tops. Lately it's been sliced up chuck roast. I like it rare too so it's a good thing I have good teeth. I just finished eating about 3 oz. of chuck roast, 1/2 ear of corn on the cop, and a portion of 8 stewed chicken feet.
I admit, I am getting bored of it my self. It takes time to defend ones views. Everyone has their views and I respect that. Everyone has the right to share them. After a while it is time to move on.
As I get older, my teeth and gut are also telling me also what I can eat and cannot. Spicy foods no more, Nexium - Mans best friend!
Sometimes it is best to fight than get rolled over all the time :)
Great source of collagen. :-) Cheaper than taking pills for joint degeneration.
And they really are delicious. ;-d
Pressure cook them, (I get them pre-cleaned at the grocery store for about $1.29 per lb) with onion powder, garlic powder, shitake powder, salt free lemon pepper and dried dill weed. Bring up to pressure, time for 45 minutes then rapid cool the pressure cooker under cold running tap water.
Strain off the broth, then hide in your bedroom in front of the computer with a spit bowl for bones, and a salt shaker.
Mom taught me to eat them when I was growing up. ;-)
I've upped my purchase and consumption of them as a cheap source of collagen and chondroiten lately due to having discovered I have degenerative disk disease. The last two disks in the lower lumbar spine are pretty much gone. Both the Ortho' and the Chiropractor have encourage me to take a 30 minute daily swim, and purchase an inversion table.
I have a jpeg of the x-ray.
I also have jpegs of stewed chicken feet and the resulting high collagen stock.
There are many, many thai and chinese recipes using "phoenix claws" that can be googled! Most of them are far more complex tho' than simple pressure stewing. They really don't need much help for flavor!
It isn't the poor animals fault that it's meat isn't as nutritious as it should be. For that you can blame the people that control its' environment. The chronic stress (which physically changes the quality or the meat and charges the meat with endocrine hormones), the filth, the antibiotics, the tranks, the low price feed, which may make the animal sick (like beef). If the food is stressed what happens to the consumer? Does anybody know, or is this just another dark corner that the FDA doesn't want to look into?
I thought that glucosamine and micronized chondroitin were the approved arthritis nutri-pharmicals? You go for a straight 1 to 1 replacement? Cartilage out. Cartilage in.
Just a guess but farmed raised VS. wild might be the main issue. Give em chicken waste and we end up with shit out. Who would have thought? Never mind it is cheap.
Bill who wonders what or how the idea of real food is changing. All I hope is protein is some how ennobled or I might end up with Charlie on the table in a round about way.
Pretty much. :-) Granted, the cartilage does not hit the bloodstream as such, but I figure it provides the building blocks needed as it's digested down into base nutrients.
Chondroitin is nothing but powdered shark cartilage.
No need to break it to me. I already know that no one can prove a negative statement. The original postulates were not negative statements.
I am very familiar with the rules of logic. I have studied the philosophical rules and the mathematical rules as well as breaking down sentences into mathematical forms for computers to analysis in A.I.
It is the postulates that has a religious belief to them. One can simply agree with them or not. When it comes to reasoning - I rule it!
I do enjoy your discussions. I have know doubt when it comes to gardening and other earth sciences - You rule it. Your advice in many areas is second to none.
I admit those arguments about diet and intelligence are not going to change the earth or how we will live. I just find it interesting - After all it was you that lead me to those great books that lead to those discussions :)
I have no doubt you are an idealist. All of my friends are idealist, I am a rational, Idealist are extremely intelligent and quick to insult. However, sometimes their reasoning can get them into trouble. They seem to be very comfortable with paradoxes. They let me hang around because I have a different eye when it comes to their ideas. They also help me to sharpen those ideas that come around, in religion, philosophy, science and even in politics in my own life.
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