I have drawn a complete blank on obtaining any seed of the species
I am looking for, and should appreciate any pointers. Please DON'T
bother to point me at seed catalogues that use the names, as these
species are misclassified even in herbarium catalogues :-( I am
looking for things that have at least a HOPE of being the right
ones! They are:
I. hederacea, I.nil, I. purpurea and I. pes-tigridis.
I. indica (a.k.a. learii, a.k.a. acuminata); it is self-sterile
but I believe that viable seed can be produced by crossing two
On 30/3/07 14:12, in article euj2bh$md5$ email@example.com, "Nick
I know you said "no catalogues" but I assume you have tried Secret Seeds
somewhere near Tiverton, Devon?
They have Ipomoea purpurea, I. purpurea 'Milky Way', plus some others you're
not looking for.
|> I know you said "no catalogues" but I assume you have tried Secret Seeds|> somewhere near Tiverton, Devon?|> They have Ipomoea purpurea, I. purpurea 'Milky Way', plus some others you're|> not looking for.|> http://www.secretseeds.com/acatalog/I.html
Thanks. I hadn't, but I am not very convinced that they have it right.
For example, "Milky Way" is classified as I. tricolor, I. purpurea and
I. nil by different catalogues. I grew some purportedly I. purpurea
seeds last year, and don't think that they were. I believe that most
catalogues assign species names at random to this group of morning
glories, which is justifiable because most botanists don't do much
Also, for other reasons, that is the one that least interests me :-(
|> |> I suppose Thompson & Morgan might also have the same problem....or not. Who |> knows?
They do, redoubled in spades. Look at their entries for Ipomoea;
they can't even work out whether I. nil and I. imperialis are species
or crosses. If I recall, I bought their "Scarlett O'Hara" and it most
definitely wasn't - though it was the right colour.
B and T World Seeds do a LOT better, but I have never dealt with
them, and their Web pricing is, er, bizarre. As they are expensive
and not just perverse, I am a bit cautious. Does anyone know how
good they are? Particularly the accuracy of their classifications,
and the viability of their seed (though Ipomoea isn't usually a
[*] Actually, I. imperialis is a superseded name for I. nil. While
I. hederacea is currently regarded as different, it has been made
a synonym of I. nil in the past. Anyone who says that I. tricolor,
and either I. purpurea or I. nil are synonyms is probably confused.
Your comments are correct about B and T but they do have a good reputation
and supposedly supply fresher seed than most. You may have to wait the odd
week for supplies. I have not bought Ipomea but their musa seeds performed
Thanks to Rupert and Sacha. I may try B&T.
Incidentally, the common one in the UK is I. tricolor, which is fairly
easy to distinguish from the I. nil complex (including purpurea, nil,
hederacea and indica). It has glabrous stems, where the others are
hairy, and its sepals are different. I have no idea why it should
get so badly confused.
The common ones in the USA are purpurea and hederacea, just to confuse
the issue. And I suspect that they are also more common around the
The 'purpurea' seed that I tried was definitely mostly tricolor. The
"Scarlett O'Hara" was one of the I. nil complex and scarlet but was
NOT what it said it was, and was a miserable plant! This might have
been because it WAS nil (nearly as tropical as indica), and there was
a typical mediocre summer.
Nick, I replied to your query about restaurants in another group but
the two groups that you were posting to, only 1 would accept my reply
so I am not sure if you have seen it on group or not, if not, email me
and I will send you the same info.
It's not too off-topic as you will be eating vegetables at the
Have you looked at these people?
I have had some seeds from them and good service and no great postage
On 30 Mar 2007 13:12:17 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
I suggest you contact your local botanical gardens. They are pretty
clear on identification. You can't tell me the taxonomy is so
involved in this species that botanists won't know the clear nature of
|> |> > I suggest you contact your local botanical gardens. They are pretty|> > clear on identification. You can't tell me the taxonomy is so|> > involved in this species that botanists won't know the clear nature of|> > these seeds.|> |> Some of those who sell them admit they can't be clear on what they've got.|> I don't know *why*, however.
A combination of honesty and legal reasons. Classifying the species I
am referring to is tough even for specialists!
Unfortunately, both Cambridge and Kew have been inflicted with modern,
efficient, targetted management, and have closed their front doors to
amateurs. I got a complete brush-off from the former, which did not
impress me, as all I asked for was a pointer to references if anyone
knew of any offhand. I don't know the people personally, or would
bypass the bureaucracy.
In both cases, amateur botanists have to make do with the schoolchild-
oriented pap that they provide as public information or find a way
around the mechanism :-( And, increasingly, non-trivial information
is being excluded even to academics of other disciplines, though it
is only people like me who bemoan the fact. I can see the harm that
it does to the specialities, but the specialists can't see widely
enough to realise that.
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