On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:31:38 -0500, Charlie wrote:
I didn't explain why you'd do the holes filled with compost now: The
reason for this is because the compost and alfalfa will heat up quite
a bit because of the microbiota in the compost. This heat will kill
any plants or seedlings you put in there. If you prepare this about a
month or so ahead, the decomposition process will slow down and less
heat means it won't kill the plants.
I hadn't thought this through yet, so thanks.
Hmmm....if a person could time this right, one might get a jump start
on and cheat those too cool nights and get things going a bit ahead of
schedule, by utilizing the heat from the decomposition?
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:28:03 -0500, Charlie wrote:
Well, yes and no. The heating of the decomposition is also chemical
in nature as well as actual. The chemistry of the process would also
do damage to the roots. If what you mean is building a little wall
around prepared ahead bales using the decomp process to keep the
microclimate warm, then yes it should work. I think!
OK. Got it. This opens possibilites for cold frames, tunnels,
mini-greenhouses, etc.....for a small *heat* source that may then be
spread as mulch. Reminds me of an old picture I saw somewhere of
greens being grown in France, in winter, under cloches resting on beds
of decomposing horse manure.
Thanks for the line of thought.
Get that knee goin' girl, the weeds are waitin'! ;-)
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:22:03 -0500, Charlie wrote:
Yes, they used to heat greenhoused which were partially inbedded in
the gound with manure mixed with carbon elements.
This knee...I see the Dr. Monday and if he says I can do some
gardening I'll be very hapy.
Outer bark, phellem, is cork. cork is suberin which is log chains of fatty
acids. regardless what that website says. The carbon in phellem is not in
a form usable by the soil.
Suberin is a lipid that in the outer periderm of phellem waterproofs outer
bark. Suberin- impregnated phellem is called cork. The chains of carbon and
hydrogen in suberin are so varied that few enzymes from microorganisms are
able to cleave it for an energy source. This characteristic gives corks
their unique benefits for sealing bottles. Suberin is also in a layer in
absorbing roots called the Casparian strip. This layer is an effective
boundary essential in the absorption processes. Energy is required to
transport water and elements through the boundary into the tree. Suberin is
also a major compound in the barrier zone that forms after wounding. Outer
bark that contains suberin is often used for mulch, since bark mulch will
not be broken down by soil microorganisms because of the suberin. The bark
mulch has aesthetic value, but the bark is of little value for providing
energy-releasing compounds to soil microorganisms. Some trees store fats and
oils as their reserve energy source. The fats and oils are not soluble in
water. Many palms store oils. Waxes on leaves and fruits are also lipids.
"Regardless of what that website says". Ah, so real science, published by
real experts, is less than your load of crap?
You really need to get back on your meds.
Beware a fruitcake that claims to be a forester, and an expert, when he is
nothing more than a fraud.
There is no benefit to cork mulch in the garden as it's too light
weight and will blow/float away. But building soil is NOT a requisite
of *decorative* mulch, in fact folks who spend the extra $$$s to
install decorative mulch want it to last, and last, and last. If you
want mulch that is also good for builidng soil use inexpensive organic
matter like straw, leaves, newspaper and cardboard, these items do the
job of retaining moisture, inhibiting weed growth, and decompose
rather quickly, but are not at all decorative. I use saved up
corrogated for my vegetable garden, just barely lasts the growing
season and then I till it in and begin again the next year. But for
my perennial beds I want something purtier so I use pine bark nuggets,
they're kinda costly considering I need about 200 bags and have to add
more than 25 bags each year, I have to go get them and then haul them
about too... I wish they didn't decay at all.
I'm just using about 6-8 bags in front, and maybe a couple more in
other spots. I just started asking about this to make sure it
wouldn't actually hurt the soil. So, say at the end of the year, the
stuff has degraded some (that hasn't washed or blown away), it should
be OK to just turn it into the soil when planting next year's
perennials and such, and then put some fresh on top?
oh, do you really, Shelly girl? *you* use corrogated
cardboard? *you*, who called *me* six kinds of stupid for
using corrogated cardboard on the pathways in my garden, use
*cardboard* in *your* garden?
huh, wonder where you ever got that idea from...
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
When accusing someone of what they wrote you'd be more believeable had
you produced a link to the post so everyone can see in what
context... where you live it's apparent that one is not entitled to
see their accuser or evidence against them.
And you spelled stupid wrong... it's 's-m-a-r-m-y', one kind.
See, I very rarely call anyone 'stupid", had you said I called you an
idiot, a moron, an imbecile, then your accusation would have a ring of
This reminds me of another incident with another stoopid type I has
words with and laughingly I called him/her a "maroon." The igit said
I spelled "moron" incorrectly. Then a bombardment of posts followed
with, "haven't you ever watched a Bugs Bunny cartoon?" We had a nice
laugh at that one too.
I've been buying bark -- some bags of small pieces, some larger,
depending on the area, from Home Depot (tfui, tfui).
****Anybody know what kind of tree their bark comes from? ****
My soil is So. Calif adobe, though much modified over the decades;
actually it's pretty good now. But still, acidic bark like from pine
trees would be beneficial (wouldn't it?).
I do put the pine needles that fall from the trees in front of my
house * in my compost for the acidic content.
* along with those horrible little seeds and the resin that
gunks up parked cars...
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:52:07 -0700, Dark Energy wrote:
Hi - I changed the Subject line on this because original message might
be getting overlooked by those not following the "Decorative Bark"
So could I please get feedback from anyone who knows what
kind of tree the Home Depot bark comes from?
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