what kind of season do you have? it seems
that ours is too short for most volunteers to
if i were going to grow a lot of different
OP and heirloom varieties i think that would
be more interesting and have a better chance
of getting decent results, but i've been banned
from trying other varieties now. we have too
many tomatoes in storage ATM so it is likely
we're skipping a major planting of tomatoes
this year and will just put in a few cherry
as for diseases, our location seems to favor
certain types of late season blight, but if we
can get a crop through the mid-summer it doesn't
matter what the blight does. it doesn't ruin
the fruit. last season was unusual for us in
that the disease took 90% of the crop just in
the last few weeks of ripening. greenhouse
people said it was last seen in this area 80
years ago. likely weather and growing medium
related, but hard to prove without a lab to do
the work and ways to trace things...
Northern NJ. Spring has just sprung the past couple of weeks. But I
also direct sow tomato seeds every year, though, and that makes them
later than volunteers, too. I can usually harvest well into October.
I do not can tomatoes. I consider them edible seasonally and
delightful at that.
As I have mentioned, I have my tomato plants very, very close together
in the plot. The thing is so dense it is difficult to harvest at
times. I have to lift plants out of the way to see ripe fruits at any
I have gotten blight or other fungal problems with tomatoes at times.
I gave up on rotation planting, as that did not seem to solve the
problem. I think weather is a big contributing factor with my
disorders, none of them too serious. I also grow in large tubs on the
deck, where there is no crowding. That doesn't eliminate the problems,
either, but I have never had huge losses.
Fungus with nightshades is a result of wet leaves over night. When
needed water in the AM and not the plant, water the ground only...
tomatoes are best watered with buried soaker hoses, never overhead
watering. Tomatoes also benefit from good aeration, do not crowd. I'm
fortunate in that my vegetable garden is situated alongside a small
natural spring, I plant tomatoes closest to the spring, I never need
to water as that ground is always ideally moist.
can't keep the fog/dew off the plants here.
overhead watering happens only very rarely
(when it's really hot and the plants stop
setting fruit) and usually they are dry again
last year was wet consistently enough that i
don't recall ever spraying the tomatoes at all
or even doing much watering (maybe twice the
Thought you, and, perhaps others here, might find this interesting. I
am not sure how well it works with all tomato varieties and climates,
but it intrigues me.
there's nothing wrong with trying something out
to see how it goes. i do know that when i've watered
the tomatoes too much they do taste watered down.
a normal tomato crop here is 20-40lbs per plant
for the beefsteaks and probably 10-20lbs of cherry
tomatoes per plant.
Just how many acres of tomatoes do you grow that you can average your
yield accurately in a 50 percentile range, or do you just have a
couple three plants... I'm serious... I put in about fifty plants of
various types and often plants right next to each other have a very
different yield. However with ~fifty plants I always harvest way WAY
more than I can use, I give plenty away, feed those bitten by rodents
and bugs to deer, and at end of season I harvest many more green
tomatoes than I feel like frying/pickling... deer eat green tomatoes
too. I long ago gave up canning tomatoes, salad tomatoes are too wet
and besides I can buy canned romas by the case at the big box stores
and use those to make sauce for a whole lot less money, time, and
labor. The only time I may weigh/photograph is when I happen to find
an exceptionally large/unique specimen. I've actually never bothered
to weigh/count any of my crops, there's always more than I can
possibly use... in fact a few years ago I decided to donate a third of
my 2,500 sq ft garden to growing blueberry bushes.
between 16 and 50 plants depending upon what we
have for space and what we need to put up. it is
easy to measure output in the rough because a full
pail of tomatoes runs about 22lbs and when canned
that usually ends up around 7 quarts. do it enough
times and you get an idea of what the yeild roughly
yes, that is true, i just measure it roughly as
a whole and we keep track of what we can so that
gives us a lower bound (i don't keep track of what
we eat fresh).
we put them in the garage on a table and they
eventually ripen, they are not as good as fresh
but they are better than nothing or most of what
we get at the store. a few will rot, but while
i love fried green tomatoes i can't eat that
many of them.
to me the whole reason for growing veggies is
to cut down on food expenses and i like knowing
what goes into the food i eat. canned store bought
tomatoes taste like metal to me.
the silly thing of it all is that i'm getting
reactive to tomatoes. after 50something years of
eating many lbs a year and now i start reacting
i'd like to put in blueberry bushes too, but at the
moment i'm having fun with what is here.
as we grow many flowers in addition to the veggies
and a lot of our space is just wasted IMO we don't
get a huge over production, but when we do Ma will
turn it into something and take it around to the
families or we'll can it or i'll make jam.
I find a measure of unpredictability and variability, even when I have
grown the same varieties over several seasons.
I see this in many of the kitchen garden crops, though. It is not
unique to tomatoes. Some year I get a lot more of a particular bean
variety, or huge broccoli, or more cukes than I can shake a stick at
and another year even a tried and true favorite may do poorly.
Obviously, one can only "control" for so much in these observations,
as my garden is outdoors and subject to the elements, but I still love
to try to outsmart the critters, the bugs, the weather and the rain
well sure, but after ten years of growing
them you should have some idea of which kinds
yeah, last year a lot of our crops were eaten by
animals and the weather wasn't very sunny. that
along with the rot in the tomatoes meant a pretty
varied and lower harvest of a lot of things than
all of our other years. still, we had enough of
some things and more than we could eat of others.
sure, it helps to plant a diversity of crops if
you have the space for it. it also helps to have
different soils to try things in.
i'm enjoying things too, it's a lot more fun than
many other things and i like the schedule. part-time
and when i want to, leaves time for reading during
the winter and best of all the boss, once in a while,
actually listens to me...
I am too adventurous (the older I get) and try many new varieties each
I am an inveterate seed saver and off-season seed buyer. Whenever I
see an unusual tomato or other yummy cultivar, I grab the packets and
I brought back two tomato plants from California this past Monday.
Happened to pass a sale at an arboretum and saw some tomatoes I had
never noticed here in the east or online in my usual haunts. What the
heck...we will see how they do.
As it is almost every year.
I have very little space. Other than asparagus, garlic, blue and
blackberries, everything I grow is in tubs up on my deck. Even then,
it is hard to keep the groundhogs away.
i'd like to, i'm getting reactive to them now
so i'm cutting back in how many i eat. Ma has
boycotted me planting new varieties because she
says they are too much work to put up.
:) good luck!
yeah. life goes on. we're not in danger of starvation
so i don't get worried about such things. it's just life.
those are indeed the critters. up until last year they
had not climbed into the fenced gardens to raid. they
are still around, but i did get rid of the den site they'd
dug out in one of our drainage ditches so they are not as
quite as close. i'm hoping they'll not return as i don't
like to get out the airgun. they get two warning shots...
i think there are now reasonbly good electric chargers
for fences that are solar and i'd be going that ways as
soon as i can when i can. the existing fence here is not
very good, but it is what you'd call a sunken cost (or more
like leaning at the moment :) ).
we have all the other usual suspects too. i try to
accept that they do some damage and plant the most
sensitive things in the fenced gardens. doesn't always
work. the other thing i do is plant some areas a ways
away and hope that will decoy the animals away from the
closer gardens. not a sure bet, but it takes some of
the pressure off.
Just as over in RFC, you are a cut and paste idiot here, too.
No one controls the rain or the dew.
Tomatoes *can* be grown quite successfully in VERY crowded conditions
as my photos show. This is only mid July, too. You should see the bed
a month later. And this bed is rarely watered. The shelter of the
plantings keeps the soil shaded and moist and also keeps the weeds
A lot of kitchen gardening can be done intensively, if one puts a mind
Now, back in the bozo bin, where you have spent virtually all of the
past 14 years.
> We had some very delicious cherry tomatoes from our local supermarket.
> If we plant the seeds from those tomatoes, what are the chances of
> actually getting some of the seeds to sprout, or are the seeds likely to
> be infertile because the tomatoes are some sort of hybrid?
I always dry my seeds on paper towels or paper napkins. However I'm very
careful when selecting 'tomato seeds' (http://tinyurl.com/n2yhxdm ). I
prefer heirloom varieties that produce seeds true to the parent. Hybrid
varieties have different properties if compared to their parent. So if
you plant seeds from store-bought cherry tomatoes, most likely you will
get plants with poor taste quality.
Well, in addition to the 24 large-sized fruit tomato plants that I bought, I have about two dozen cherry tomato plants that came up from the seeds I planted. Enuf to fill all the remaining allocated garden space. Thanks, everyone, for the encouragement.
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